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Do Women Need 4 Witnesses to Prove Rape?

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  • Sara

    Hareem you are awesome. Thank you so much for this article, it is of INCREDIBLE importance.

  • Hyde

    Well written. When idiots start interpreting complex religious dictum, then we have this nonsense as ‘raped women should marry their rapists’. Respect women as you would your own mothers. Period.

  • Samia

    Seriously thank you so much for clearing this, I was honestly feeling so sad cause I read somewhere that a women needs to provide 4 witness to proof she was raped. And I was thinking to myself how is that even possible? Who in the world would watch such a crime and not do something to stop it! & the devil was playing with my mind and I was thinking does Allah not love his creation (women) as much as he loves his creation (men)? I feel so guilty for thinking that may Allah forgive me Insha Allah. Anyway thank you sister!

  • esm6969

    I’m sorry, but this article is nonsense.
    In the hadith you quote, the rapist was only punished because he CONFESSED.
    The obvious question that you ignore is: what if the rapist didn’t confess? Then what?
    Would he have still been stoned anyway?
    Or what evidence does the women need to prove that he did rape her under sharia?

    • Abu Basim

      Confession or not, the Prophet BELIEVED the woman, and was ready to punish based SOLELY on her (even mistakenly) identifying (even) the (wrong) man as the rapist. Importantly, which is the purpose of the article, the Prophet did NOT ask her to produce 4 witnesses; her WORDS were enough!

      Read it again … the flaw is in your understanding, NOT the article!

      • esm6969

        Oh I see!
        So according to YOUR interpretation, any woman can accuse any man of rape- and her claim is enough to get the man stoned.
        No evidence is required, just her say so is enough.
        How is this fair when even the hatith itself shows you that women can be mistaken (or indeed lying)??
        All this hadith does is show you what a joke Islamic ‘justice’ is.

        • Hareem Shafi

          If you read the article, the Prophet (PBUH) was ready to pass sentence on the man – and if the true rapist hadn’t confessed, perhaps the innocent man would have been stoned. However, the blame for that lies not on the victim, the woman, but on the RAPIST. If an innocent man had been stoned the rapist would have been at fault, for refusing to confess. Not the woman, who had suffered a serious trauma already. It’s very easy to blame the woman for everything, isn’t it – why did she speak up, why did she go out, why does she exist? We very much like to forgive the rapist, the man who committed the crime, but Allah (SWA) knows justice better than us.

          The number of women who falsely accuse men of rape is negligible. The number of rapists who go free is more than 90%.

          • esm6969

            Hareem, thank you for proving my point in admitting that under shariah law, men can be stoned simply because they have been FALSELY ACCUSED of rape.
            And no, this is not the fault of the rapist, this the fault of Islam’s unjust, illogical and barbaric ‘justice’ system for having such a law.
            According to your ‘logic’, if a woman CLAIMS she has been raped, we can also just stone every man in a 5 mile radius of the ‘crime’, because, hey, that would still only be rapists fault for not being honest (like most rapists are!)
            In civilised justice systems, EVIDENCE is required wherever there is a claim, and people are innocent until such evidence shows they are guilty.
            This is suppose to be a Quranic principle too in “bring your evidence if you are truthful” (Sura 2:111), but it seems you (and Muhammad) have forgotten about your Quran in this case…

          • moraka

            What a moron this human garbage esm6969 is. Apparently in this persons retarded attempt to come with an attack, the lunatic menages to say some nonsense.

            Quote:
            And no, this is not the fault of the rapist, this the fault of Islam’s unjust, illogical and barbaric ‘justice’ system for having such a law.

            So apparently according to esm6969 a rapist is not to be blamed for committing rape. It seems like esm6969 apparently himself/herself/itself have a barbaric sense of justice(maybe because esm6969 rapes kittens and puppies). The idiot can even read English. In the hadith the rapist confesses even before judgement has begun. Yet esm6969 has the idiocy to claim that this means that Islam allows for women to come with false accusations against men.

          • Hanan

            To be honest, whether you agree or disagree with a commentator is your choice. But calling them names like “human garbage” “moron” is not becoming of you. It is highly inappropriate and if you were a Muslim, you would know this is a very gross breach of basic Adhab and etiquette. The Messenger was well known for his communication skills. So follow his Sunnah, read it and practise it. If you can not voice your criticism in a constructive and calm manner, then quite frankly don’t speak at all. Silence is gold in your situation. You are not doing Islam or the Messenger any favours with that sort of derogatory language. We are all human. No human has come into this World as gabage. You are slandering a creature that Allah swa has put on this planet. Have you thought of that? The World is full of people you will disagree with. Thats fine. Just dont be lewd or derogatory about it.

          • Teribithy Razer

            fuck off.

          • keeza

            As a lawyer, I can understand your frustration about lack of evidence and possibly being punished for a crime that you did not commit. I can also tell you that even within our own current western justice system the same thing happens – it is a risk we bear with any justice system, it is inherently flawed because we are humans trying our best to judge what only Allah SWT can truly know. No human can know everything and in order for justice to be true that is what is needed: to know the absolute truth that lies between two opposing sides. In the end it all just guess work, piecing a puzzle together where the pieces are missing and you hope for the best. Sometimes the puzzle only has the corner edges missing and you can see that the puzzle is a picture of a cat. Other times so many pieces are missing that all you see are the cat’s whiskers and somehow you have to conclude it is a cat. You won’t always guess right.

          • irritated

            you are most welcome to gather four witnesses to prove the rape of your mother or your rape (whatever) but shut your disgusting mouth when talking about the laws of shariah.
            Uff the world would have been a much happier place if things like you didn’t exist.

          • Teribithy Razer

            there is a big diffrence between thinking a woman is unreliable as a witness for accusing the wrong man and claiming women are responsible.

          • Teribithy Razer

            oh and without siteation you statistics are immediately bullshit.

          • Teribithy Razer

            the rapeist would have been at fault but fuck all would be done about it.

        • Viola

          this woman who wrote this article/answer is spreading false info on her own, so dont blame sharia law for her self-created ideas, i have read the Qur’an myself thatswhy i know her info is false

      • Teribithy Razer

        no most cases of sharia law enforcement require either 4 witnesses or a confession acting like it is only the 4 witnesses required is dishonest.

    • Teribithy Razer

      is the hadith she quoted even authentic.

  • Abu Basim

    Excellent.

  • Reb

    So what is your view on Sharia law and the treatment of women in Afghanistan?

  • Waheed Olatunde Lawal

    I am not sure any right thinking and well read Muslim Scholar would disagree with your reasoning and conclusion on this piece. It will amount to injustice to require a victim of rape to produce four eyewitnesses. In fact, where required and produced, I seriously doubt if the four witnesses would not be conspirators or be guilty of complicity in the offence of rape. How can their testimonies be credible and admissible? May Allaah reward you for this beautiful exposition.

  • Hanan

    Hareem, somewhat pleased to read the article. While I don’t agree with all your interpretation and assertions, I do quite agree with you on the logical fallacies in the argumentation of those people, scholars we hold in such high regard are in fact derailing Islam in a direction with their rash interpretations. Misguided to be honest. This goes to show, that Allah has given each person Aql and we are obliged to use this rather blindly follow each other or those in leadership. We must use our senses. I don’t agree, however, with your assertion, that islamaphobic propaganda is everywhere and has polluted minds of people. This is factually not true. The blame-the-victim has existed long before the new term “islamophobia” came to be. Our scholars, imams, muftis have been expousing these views in their works, sermons, written and oral for ages. In fact for most part of Islamic history. That and that alone is the reason why muslim females suffer when raped in terms of being blamed, questions as to their own fault (did you cover your hair? did you show skin? did you somehow seduce the person(s) or provide the atmosphere for the rape? etc) which is proposterous. Anybody who is familiar with the rape knows it has absolutely nothing to do with women seducing men (basically also an insult to men as if they are unable to control themselves) what you Wear or such. It is a crime. It is about violence. It is a predator mentality. I have been close to being raped and I know the terror that overpowers you. You don’t see it coming. You just don’t. And we all react in different ways. If you know he might kill you, you might not resist just to stay alive. There is a reason that rape victims have ruptures to their awrah(genitals) because the mind and body will resist even if the victim goes numb. I feel these muslim men of alleged knowledge and high authority should speak to rape help centres, victims and really understand what this is about. It angers me when they say such horrible Things like “women who dont cover, don’t deserve respect and are to blame if raped” or “uncovered women are like piece of meat on the street, why blame the animal from licking it” – you get the jist. This has nothing to do with outsiders. We are doing a banging job ourselves a promoting a terribly wrong and outdated view of Islam.Muslims do the most damage to Islam. We need to questions these men in authority and let them know, we are no sheep. We will not blindly follow them when they can not even logically argue a point. They often clash with the very basic ahadith on various topics especially pertaining to females. This is about controlling females and at the same time not hold men responsible for their actions. Something in Sharp contrast to Islam. Islam does not distinguish between genders when holding us responsible. There is a reason that rape Laws are lax or non-existant in All muslim countries.It is not coincidence that blame the victim mentality exists across borders from Indonesia to Saudi Arabia to Iran. So lets not blame outsiders. They get their ammunition from Muslims. We are responsible. We are the infection. We also contain the cure. But we must then speak up and question the men in authority. I think you should copy and paste your above post and send a copy to each scholar and fatwa centre online. Honestly, they need to hear this from a female. Their bizarre statements can be found from Islamic authorities in Australia, Egypt, UK and the US. This has nothing to do with oursider propaganda. But there is a wicked plan at Work to disempower women, strip us of our Allah given rights. Are we to silently sit by and just Watch. Freedom is not given. It is taken. Rape is such a taboo. When the girl who was sentenced to flogging in her rape case, the judge argued she should not have sat in a car with a non-mahram in the first place (a gang of men passed by and saw these two friends sit in the car and repeatedly raped and sodomized them both). This was a few years ago. Fast forward to 2013. 2 UK females of Pakistani descent part of an AID envoy heading to Gaza were abducted in Libya, gangraped in front of their father. And some of the comments from young muslims in the western World was “well they should have travelled with a mahram” “did they cover themselves”? Seriously, a mahram will not be able to do any damn thing when faced with a gang of young men. Shocking.Our generation should know better. This is similar to the campaign which spread via facebook etc showing a Picture of 2 lollipops. One covered and the other with wrapped off. The latter was swarmed by insects. These images were supposed to convey that (head)cover somehow protects from rape. Funny that considering women in burkas and full head to toe abayas are raped too. We have become sheep. Unable to think. I regret the length of this post, but its good to read something from a female for once. Raped is never invited. And Muslim scholars, and clerics need to get that in their heads. The sooner the better. And repeal the horrible rape laws that blame the victims and reward the rapists.

  • Danish

    Please do correct the verse of Quran. 24:3 and 24:5.
    Reference :
    http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.sahih/24:3
    http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.sahih/24:5

  • Bill Steinbach

    I appreciate you trying to clear up a common (mis)understanding, however, If it is, in fact, accepted by “experts”, with the community taking it as law, isn’t it just as bad as if it was law?
    Unless the community takes a stand, and calls out the people who are misinterpreting, it might as well be law.

  • Theresa Corbin

    Can someone please remove this comment? And dispatch this “man” from the face of the earth? May Allah deal justly with him. And He will. Allah has not mercy for his creation that shows no mercy.

  • fia

    I don’t think mustaf is a muslim. A real Muslim father doesn’t do that

  • irritated

    this khabis is not even a human, crazy looser!

  • winter32842

    Can you tell that to countries like Sudan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and etc? Every day innocent rape victims get killed by police by accusing her of adultery when she could not produce 4 witness.

  • Claire

    What if the rapist in the above story had NOT confessed (and he WAS in fact a rapist and not falsely accused as another commentator suggested)? Does the Koran require a rapist’s confession to make the victim’s accusation legitimate? Is a woman’s word worth as much as a man’s?

    Thanks for the article. I’m interested in this topic and have been looking for info about the treatment of women in Koranic law.

    • Empangan Emas

      Hi Claire, the golden rule in applying Islamic law as the Prophet himself said ” It is better to set free a guilty man then to punish an innocent one. ” In other words, there can be no room for doubt.

      As far as I know, the Quran does not require a rapist’s confession to make the victim’s accusation legitimate.

      However, it is important to know what scholars actually understand from this hadith. A hadith should not be read singularly. Sometimes it needed to be read with other hadiths and/or the Quran to understand it properly.

      It is an interesting topic and I hope you can find several Islamic scholars to help you in this matter.

      Having said that, if we were to take the hadith as it is, it does seem clear that

      a ] the Prophet did not ask the woman to produce four witnesses.

      b ] the Prophet did not punish the woman for her wrong accusation.

      c ] the Prophet was ready to punish the accused man on the basis of the woman’s accusation.

      As to the first man, it is quite interesting also why he did not protest his innocence. Was he perhaps protecting the real rapist ? Was he perhaps guilty of the same crime against another woman and was never caught and now saw this as his punishment for that crime ?

      Given the Prophet’s carefulness in applying the law, I’m inclined to believe that the man did not protest his innocence.

      Wallahu’alam.

  • Kaninchen

    You sound like a true Muslim, Mustaf.

  • Jerk Face

    Was that before or after you raped a pig? Hope you’ve had your balls removed by now.

  • Nessie

    Interesting explanation, though a shortsighted analysis to blame islamophobia on the inaccurate and hostile interpretations of law stemming from Islamic scholars and Islamic jurisprudence. If people in those professions are wrong, that is one thing, but it would be such cruel interpretations – repeated cruelty – that causes Islamophbia and not Islamophobia which causes scholars to make them all seem right. That was an absurd suggestion/accusation and one that absolves Islamists from their own responsibility. Hopefully they will learn their religious texts and see it as you do.

  • Ema

    I’ve never seen any scholar stated that rape victim needs to produce 4 witnesses. In fact your explanation is what I heard the most. But beware there are many Islamophobes sites out there that disguise as Islamic site. Mostly the misleading interpretation are coming from these sites.

    Thank you

    • me

      it was law in pakistan until 1997. read up on the hudood ordinances.

      • susu

        Pakistan law is based on English law and general stupidity, it doesnt follow shariah law and therefore cannot be held as representing the same.

  • me

    seriously, moderator? please? this is gross trolling and pretty triggering i imagine. it’s been up here for 8 months.

  • http://muslimgirl.com/ Mohammed Ishmal

    “it would be foolish to believe that Islam would ever
    require a woman to go through the pain and suffering of providing four
    witnesses to her rape”

    This is not correct. In fact rape is not mentioned anywhere in
    the Qur’an, hence it is up to our analysis to infer how many witnesses are
    required to prove that a rape has taken place.

    The verse that comes closest to the situation of rape is the
    verse of An-Nur 24:5. Since that verse requires four witnesses, we deduce that
    a rape would similarly require four witnesses. This is logical and is the very
    reason why rape requires four witnesses in countries across the world that
    properly implement the Sharia. Also, if a woman has been raped there may be a case for her having been unchaste also, but this a longer discussion.

    However woman who are raped should not feel that there is an
    injustice. Nothing is hidden from the site of Allah and they will receive
    justice on the Day of Judgement. This makes sense, or, how else would justice
    come for women who are raped with no proof at all? Also, if witnesses were not
    required, then any woman could have a man put to death with a mere accusation.

    Your discussion is inventing your own law and is in
    violation of the Qur’an. The Qur’an is the law of Allah and it is not for us to
    invent interpretations based on what we “would like” to think that
    law says that are against simple logic. This is what distinguishes us from the infidel. The laws of Allah are supreme.

    • Rahim Mohammed

      So true.

    • Aahil Rayyan

      Yeah. Someone who knows what they are talking about.

    • FightOurFuture

      Perhaps one day you might experience an anal raping. I’m sure you’ll say, “I have no case, I don’t have 4 witnesses. No injustice was done to me.”

      You have invented your own law right now, by saying adultery standards should also be used for rape. Wahhabi clown.

      • Dhakwan Fareed

        Perfect justice is not always possible in this world. On the Day of Judgment everyone will receive justice.

        • dont do this dhakwan

          Why does Shariah even exist if we are told to accept all crimes made against us in this duniya? Of course everyone will receive justice on the DoJ, but failure to recompense and punish victims and aggressors respectively asks for chaos.

          As soothing as it sounds, it’s irrelevant to the issue that this article is addressing.

    • susu

      Urm shut up, typical male response to rape.

    • Dhakwan Fareed

      Mohammed Ishmal has the correct understanding of the holy Qur’an. If you are going to decide for yourself a meaning that is not consistent then you might as well make up any kind of law like the unholy laws of the West. Those countries make up new laws every day according to what suites them, and are not the words of Allah (SWT). This is like the work of the infidel — the infidel wants a different law for every place and wants flawed people to make up rules as they go along. Look what corruption results when this is done!!! If Allah (SWT) intended us to invent our own morals then why did he bother sending us His Profit (PBUH)? Of course the answer is that we should look first to the Qur’an.

      • Pal Palpal

        Allah gave you a human brain in order to think logicaly. If he didn’t want you to think logicaly then he would had given you the brain of a camel. The woman who wrote that post reads the Qur’an and uses her brain to create a logical interpretation that make sense. If you want to insult him, you can continue not-using your brain, read the Qur’an and create irrational interpretations that don’t make any sense whatsoever and clearly promote perversion and corruption.

        • Fazila Ahmad

          This is kindoff twisted..which kind of man is going to rape a women infront of 4 men..who does that?nd these four mens saw the whole thing and kept their mouth shut and didnt even say a thing which actually sounds unfair ..these kinds of crimes are done in total secrecy which is very obvious.so how will the women get evidence ?but at the same time a women can unlawfully blame a person and get an innoccent man punished..but those were old times…think about now..we have medical tests and many other ways through which it can be proved if the crime was commited by the tests we can check for the sighns of voilence or struggle..that time they didnt even have DNA fingerprinting and stuff..so we shud not FULLY rely on 4 witness cuz its impossible to have 4 witneses..we shud use our brains and give more weightage to other evidences or clues..whatevver crime is done there is always a clue so a thurrough investigation shud be done.

    • Amreen Mahdavi

      Mohammed is quite right. He is showing how twisted this religion is. This is what Islam is TRULY about.
      When I was 18, I was raped by 3 boys who attend my family’s Mosque. My family explained the situation to the Mosque and they preferred to keep-it-quiet so as not to bring the Mosque into disrepute. I was given the line, “do not feel bad about this because you will have justice on judgment day.” It seems crazy now, but I accepted their decision.
      After 3 years I could not bear it any longer. Their are so many things wrong with Islam and also with Muslim communities. I had an argument with my father and threw down a Koran at his feet one day. I pointed at the book on the floor and said to him, “I do not believe in this.” He was in such shock he did not know what to do or say. Before he got a chance to decide on what to do, I walked quickly out of the house. He did not know that my bags were already packed and loaded into my boyfriend’s car. It’s been five years and I havn’t spoken to my father since.
      The day of that rape has never left me. I was a happy teenager before that, but now the world seems dark and heavy. When I sit on my own and cry my boyfriend does not know what to do. My family, my community, my religion, they all failed me. They have one thing in common — Islam.

      • Tams

        Amreen–you did the right thing and you allowed your HEART to lead you AwAY from Islam. Good for you–there IS peace and happiness in Jesus Christ and I urge you in this great time across the world to seek Him! He will lift your burdens!

        • marcos_marcotron

          The last thing the poor girl needs is another controlling f**king religion in her life.

        • mo123

          Pfft. In the bible she would’ve had to marry him

          • infinity

            Does this happen in the world today among Christians? Guess what, it happens in Afghanistan and Pakistan where just in the past few years rape victims have been forced to marry their rapists to wash off the shame they (victims) brought on their families by getting raped!

          • Christina

            Not like that no, this is bizzare , seems unreal… as a Christian (well really I am atheist ) in UK I had my arm bruized slightly by a drunken man, he was sentenced for a year and had to pay compensation (bruize about 3^2cm). It is very different, women are actually respected.

          • David

            Yes, mo123, in the bible, the one used by all 3 abrahamic religions, women are forced to marry their rapists. The only countries that actually adhere to that law are islamic countries.. Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Aphganistan, Sudan etc etc. Could you list off the Christian countries where women need 4 male witnesses to report rape?

          • Sargon of Akkad

            We don’t use the bible. None of the countries you listed adhered to this bull.

            This is purely a Jewish and Christian way of thinking.

            Rape is completely forbidden in Islamic law, and is a crime punishable by death.

            In Islam, capital punishment is reserved for the most extreme crimes which harm individual victims or destabilize society. Rape falls into both of these categories.

            Islam takes very seriously the honor and protection of women. The Quran repeatedly reminds men to treat women with kindness and fairness. Rape is a horrible crime which causes a women humiliation and physical harm.

            throughout Islamic history there have been scholars who classified rape as a form of terrorism (hiraba). There have also been specific examples in Islamic history which can shed light on how early Muslims handled this crime and its punishment.

            Examples from Early Islamic History

            During the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad, a rapist was punished based on only the testimony of the victim.

            Wa’il ibn Hujr reported that a woman publicly identified a man who had raped her. The people caught the man and brought him to the Prophet Muhammad. He told the woman to go, that she was not to be blamed, and ordered that the man be put to death.

            In another case, a woman brought her infant to the mosque and publicly spoke about the rape that had resulted in her pregnancy. When confronted, the accused admitted the crime to the Caliph Umar who ordered his punishment. The woman was not punished.

            It is incorrect to say that rape is merely a subcategory of adultery or fornication. In the well-known Islamic legal book, “Fiqh-us-Sunnah,” rape is included in a definition of hiraba (terrorism or crimes of violence): “A single person or group of people causing public disruption, killing, forcibly taking property or money, attacking or raping women, killing cattle, or disrupting agriculture.”.

          • David
          • Teribithy Razer

            in the first case the wrong man was fasly accused and another confessed .

          • Teribithy Razer

            are you the youtuber sargon of ackad.

          • mo123

            Wrong. IN Islam the rapist gets kiied. The rapist does not marry his victim in saudi Arabia. How can you just make things up like that?

          • David

            “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, 29 then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.” – Deuteronomy 22:28–29

          • David

            Exodus 22:16-17 “If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride price for her and make her his wife. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride price for virgins.”

          • David
          • mo123

            I don’t get what you were trying to show me. We were talking about the girl having to marry her rapist. All I seen was punishmentso ranging from flogging to execution and sometimes the punishment of the victim if she put her self in that situation. I don’t agree with the last thing though

      • Sadarh

        Dear Sister, Sorry for what you have gone through… your case was not properly handled by your people … Blaming Islam is not the right thing. If Mosque people or your family did not give justice they have failed in supporting you… These things are happening because of lake of knowledge…. surely those guys need to be punished period, in this world and hereafter… No one can understand your pain except Allah… My humble request don’t leave Islam… this is happening all over the world….. RAPE needs to be condemned and victims need to be supported…. unfortunately we are living in male dominating society… I hope everyone understand ISLAM properly then there will be no cases like yours in this world…. May Allah bless you and guide you …

      • Sakib Arifin

        Their may be many things wrong with Muslim communities ,but not islam.

      • Sama Habib

        Amreen, I am so sorry for what happened to you. The truth is I am just like you. I was only 11 when it happened, and it shattered my world. My parents’ answer was to just pray and ask for forgiveness. They did not try to get justice for me. They didn’t even ask if I wanted to.

        But forgiveness for what? What did I do wrong?

        I walked around thinking that there was something wrong with me. I was angry. Angry at the world, angry at my parents, angry at Allah.

        Then when I was nineteen, my brother, the only person I felt I could trust at that time, took me to Hajj with him. There, I faced some of the most misagynistic men. But it was also there, where I started to feel again. I don’t know how to explain it, but felt so close to Allah, and so loved. It was an indescribable feeling.

        It was there that I realized that there is nothing wrong with Islam, or Allah. But there is something wrong with so many Muslims. Both men and women. It’s ignorance. It’s selfish.

        People are evil. Islam is not.

        So I picked up the Quran. I spoke to other Muslim sisters who have been through what I have. I still try to learn. I have found that Allah has always been on my side.

        Two years after I went to Hajj, I looked up the man that hurt me. He was to serve three life sentences for child rape. Yes, there were others.

        He killed himself not even a year in.

        I won’t tell you that I have completely healed from that experience. But I have been thinking about it less and less. I’m married now, to the love of my life, and I am finally happy.

        Please don’t give up on Allah just yet. Allah won’t ever give up on you.

        • Teribithy Razer

          allah never and will never give up on anyone to find out why dont read the quran read the god delusion.

      • AnDrew_0w3ns

        Are you sure that wasn’t a Catholic church? You blame it on the religion, but other religions and secular people have these same issues.

        • David

          AnDrew_0w3ns, could you list off the Catholic countries where women need 4 male witnesses to report rape to police?

          • AnDrew_0w3ns

            There is only one Catholic government- Vatican City. Women and non-Catholics are not allowed in the military or as head of state, the criminal laws are Italian which was forced by the Lateran Treaty of 1929. Prior to that, in the Papal states, Jewish children were kidnapped and forced to convert, Galileo was forced to recant his theory that the earth orbits the sun. Homosexuals were executed, etc.

            The list of countries where 4 male witnesses are required to report rape is Pakistan and maybe Yemen. That is not shariah. The only hadith concerning rape has the rapist sentenced to stoning on the witness of the victim.

          • David

            Egypt, Libya, Iran, Aphganistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan.. And yes, modern islamic countries are quite similar to ancient christian countries. Blasphemy laws seem to be a good indicator. Women can still be raped by their husband in even the most moderate islamic country.

          • AnDrew_0w3ns

            The only other modern theocracy that isn’t Muslim is Bhutan, a Buddhist theocracy, where Christian proselytizing was immediately forbidden, freedom of speech absolved and Christians persecuted.

            “Women can still be raped by their husband in even the most moderate islamic country.”

            Do you have any source for this statement, or is it pure conjecture? There are 53 Muslim countries in the OIC. Have you researched the laws of all of them?

            And are you aware that some of our American politicians would agree with such a policy if they didn’t think some Muslim was involved.

            http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/trump-lawyer-you-cant-rape-your-spouse

          • David

            Does Bhutan execute women for being raped? Nope. Does Bhutan execute people who leave the faith? Nope. False equivalencies only serve to show how empty your ideology is.

            There are 53 countries that are member of the OIC, there are not 53 Islamic Countries. Islamic countries are ones that call themselves an Islamic nation when you enter the country. I would assume by your ignorance you’ve never stepped foot in an islamic country, or Bhutan. I’ve been to both.

            And yes, I’ve researched the laws of every country I’ve visited, which is my responsibility as a traveller. There are 3 million muslims in America. I’m sure most of them are secular and don’t condone rape. However the majority of the 1.6 Billion muslims in the world live in countries where women cannot report rape unless they have 4 male witnesses. There are more than 10,000 women in jail in Pakistan alone for reporting rape without a male witness, as is the decree of Sharia Islamic law.

            Don’t believe me? Look it up. I’m tired of responding to false equivalencies from someone that’s likely never left their home town.

          • AnDrew_0w3ns

            Neither does Morocco or Turkey or Tunisia or Algeria or Niger or Mali or Libya or Egypt or Jordan or Qatar or Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan or Kyrgizstan or Indonesia or Syria or Senegal or Turkmenistan or Bahrain or Oman pr Azerbaijan or Chad or Kuwait. In fact, I haven’t even found a case of that in Yemen, though it wouldn’t surprise me. In Bangladesh, it was not the government doing it, but some extralegal imam dispensing capital punishment in the sticks.

            I actually understated how many countries theer are in the OIC. It’s 57. I’ve been in 3 Muslim countries and prayed in mosques on 3 continents.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Organisation_of_Islamic_Cooperation_member_states_by_GDP_per_capita_(PPP)

            You name Pakistan, and I’ve found instances in Bangladesh and Iran. But that is FAR from being the whole Islamist world. And it is contrary to the Sunna, wherein there is a hadith showing a man sentenced to stoning on the witness of the rape victim.

            “Wa’il ibn Hujr reported that a woman publicly identified a man who had raped her. The people caught the man and brought him to the Prophet Muhammad. He told the woman to go, that she was not to be blamed, and ordered that the man be put to death.”

            http://islam.about.com/od/crime/f/rape.htm

          • David

            Yeah, you need to read up on the laws in these countries. In Bangladesh there’s been atheists getting murdered in the streets for apostacy, and aid workers get gangraped and never get justice often (happened to someone i knew). Anyways, this has been fascinating, but it seems like there’s probably a taqiya element to your views of the world. So I’ll leave you to it. You don’t seem like you have bad intentions, and I hope you have a good day.

          • David

            Just to point out just how ignorant you are of the subject you’ve been misled on. Iran is one of the more progressive countries you will visit in the middle east, and their biggest feminist issues today are 1) forced hijabs and 2) stoning of adultresses.

          • AnDrew_0w3ns

            Just to point out that you didn’t read what I was responding to, your own post, where you state:

            “AnDrew_0w3ns, could you list off the Catholic countries where women need 4 male witnesses to report rape to police?”

            I think that’s called a pivot, from rape to adultery. If I was to list the countries where adulteresses are stoned, it’s Pakistan, Iran and parts of Iraq and Nigeria that are not controlled by the governments. Rape and adultery are different, and therefore the answer to your question with regards to Muslim countries is different. But regards to Catholic theocracies, there are none remaining. Vatican City operates its criminal law by Italian secular law. Only the lack of freedom of speech and inequality for women are vestiges of the past theocracy. Catholic criminal law was based upon the laws of Moses, including death for apostates and homosexuals.

      • David

        This is the kind of treatment you would receive in any country that calls itself Islamic.

    • Sama Habib

      [Quran 2:191] …….. OPPRESSION is worse than murder.

      Rape falls under oppression. The OPPRESSOR should be punished. Not the OPPRESSED. Women have the right to seek justice. Just because they will receive justice on the Day of Judgement, it does not mean you can just let people do whatever they want you.

      If someone came and stole all your things, left you with nothing, are you just going to take that lying down?

      When a woman or anyone is raped, their humanity is stolen. Their feeling of ever being safe is stolen. Their trust in other people is shattered. Their innocence is ripped to shreds.

      Stop treating rape like it’s not a crime. The Prophet(S) has told us what to do in this situation. Stop ignoring it just because you don’t like it.

      • Viola

        why dont u read the qur’an with translation urself instead of seeking answers from others? i myself have read the Qur’an and thatswhy i know Mohammad Ishmal is correct.

    • Pal Palpal

      The truth is that if there were 4 people present while a woman was raped they could easly stop the rapist. So since the Qur’an punishes rape, the reasonable thing to think is that it also provides a valid way to prove that rape and 4 eye-witnesses is clearly not one. Obviously, your interpretation is wrong! The reason you made up this grotesque intepretation is because you lost yourself and all your common sense in your sexual fantasies of raping women unpunished.

    • Viola

      well said brother, i myself have read the Qur’an with translation and while reading this answer i was thinking how wrong are her interpretations, people who are not truly aware of answers shoulnt be answering them with wrong info

  • Sofia

    Educating yourself is such an important part when it comes to religion, esp Islam yet it is taken lightly and no one really does. Thank you for this article.

  • hafsy

    I am sorry to say but your write up doesn’t come close to reality, neither does it have legal backing. what happens in sharia courts with regards to zina? rape is not provided for under sharia law but is regarded as fornication or adultery(zina). please legally back up the following:
    1. why was a 12 year old girl in Somalia stoned to death after reporting that she was raped?
    2. what happens when the rapist denies

  • omgwtfbbqhax1

    “does not require a woman to produce any eye-witnesses to prove that she was raped”

    how is that ok? if its a females word against a males, female will always win. and the said female can always lie about being raped when the sex was originally consensual (whether out of spite or protecting their reputation etc)

  • Tams

    Quran 24:13

    YUSUFALI: Why did they not bring four witnesses to prove it? When they have not brought the witnesses, such men, in the sight of Allah, (stand forth) themselves as liars!
    PICKTHAL: Why did they not produce four witnesses? Since they produce not witnesses, they verily are liars in the sight of Allah.
    SHAKIR: Why did they not bring four witnesses of it? But as they have not brought witnesses they are liars before Allah.

    Apparently you Muslimas don’t know your Islamic history where it concerns Aisha and the Prophet Muhammad. Question IS why was this verse revealed? Why did Allah tell Muhammad that 4-witness’s had to be?

    Quran 2:281–establishes that a woman’s testimony is HALF that of a man.

    You may also want to read the following Quranic verses:

    024.004
    YUSUFALI: And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors;-
    PICKTHAL: And those who accuse honourable women but bring not four witnesses, scourge them (with) eighty stripes and never (afterward) accept their testimony – They indeed are evil-doers –
    SHAKIR: And those who accuse free women then do not bring four witnesses, flog them, (giving) eighty stripes, and do not admit any evidence from them ever; and these it is that are the transgressors,

    Tell me….do you read the Quran? Perhaps you should study the life of Muhammad and his actions, including the Quran to fully understand your role as a female under Islamic rule.

    Women are a field to be plowed. Your sole job is to breed–to increase your ummah. That is it and nothing more. That is WHY you are a pearl in Islam. Women do no have rights under Islamic rule—their men rule them. Honor kilings would be honorable killings if the male counterpart got caught doing something wrong, instead it’s the female.

    Finally–you may want to read the following Hadith spoken by Aisha herself—

    Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 462:–you can google the hadith.

    For real, finally—don’t lie to your sisters. Instead, know the truth of what your so called religion teaches you. Stand tall, stand proud of your womanhood!

  • omgwtfbbqhax1

    By that logic males also dont need any eye witness to prove he didnt commit rape. Innocent before proven guilty right?

  • Pal Palpal

    Dear Hareem! It’s very nice to see a woman surviving bravely in the anti-female muslim culture and trying to change it from within. I wish you strength and a lot of luck. You gonna need them both! It’s not a matter of religion. Every religion’s teachings can be interpreted in all possible ways. Those perverted interpretations of your religion that promote female slavery are wrong and unjust and they are made up by disturbed people who hate women. Just remmeber that women are more than half of the population in each society. Nobody can opress you if you decide to fight back. If not for yourself, do it for your daughters and grandaughters.

  • islamophobic&proud !!

    24:6 , 24:7 ??..just lot of swearing..ultimately the women gets punished ??
    an apologetic wolf in sheeps clothing,indeed
    !!

  • faith4fags

    There is no equivalent term for ‘rape’ in the Qur’an.
    Likewise, there is not a single verse in the Qur’an which even remotely
    discourages forced sex. In contrast, there are several verses in this
    book which give the green light to rape and other sexual crimes against women.

    Surah an-Nisa
    discusses lawful and forbidden women for pious Muslims. Before we delve
    into the particular verse, it should be noted that it is not easy to
    understand what is being suggested using the verse alone. Therefore,
    relying on authoritative Tafsirs (Qur’an interpretations) and Sahih (authentic) Hadiths associated with it, are necessary to get the exact picture.

    Verse 4:24

    Also (forbidden are) women already married, except
    those whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you.
    All others are lawful, provided you seek them from your property,
    desiring chastity, not fornication. So with those among them whom you
    have enjoyed, give them their required due, but if you agree mutually
    after the requirement (has been determined), there is no sin on you.
    Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knowing, All-Wise.

    Qur’an 4:24

    What we see in the beginning of this verse as “forbidden” refers to
    sexual intercourse. The Qur’an dictates, women already married are
    forbidden for Muslims except those whom their right hands possess (sex slaves).

    Context

    It is important to know the context of this verse, as it sheds light
    onto the nature of allowance. If we go through a Sahih Hadith in Sunan
    Abu Dawud:

    Abu Said al-Khudri said: “The apostle of Allah sent
    a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain.
    They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took
    them captives. Some of the Companions of the apostle of Allah were
    reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence
    of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down
    the Quranic verse, “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save
    those (captives) whom your right hands possess”. That is to say, they
    are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.” [The Quran
    verse is 4:24] [3]

    Abu Dawud 11:2150

    Here in the above hadith, we are told why verse 4:24 was revealed to Muhammad.
    It was to encourage his fighters, who were reluctant, to have sexual
    contacts with female captives even while their husbands were alive as
    prisoners of war. This is made clear when we read:

    “Some of the Companions of the apostle of Allah were
    reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence
    of their husbands who were unbelievers.”

    The Abu Dawud hadith is confirmed by the two Sahih collections, namely Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim.

    In Sahih Bukhari we read:

    Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: I entered the Mosque and saw
    Abu Said Al-Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about Al-Azl (i.e.
    coitus interruptus). Abu Said said, “We went out with Allah’s Apostle
    for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among
    the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us
    and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus
    interrupt us, we said, ‘How can we do coitus interruptus before asking
    Allah’s Apostle who is present among us?” We asked (him) about it and he
    said, ‘It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day
    of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist.”

    Sahih Bukhari 5:59:459

    Similarly in Sahih Muslim:

    Abu Sa’id al-Khudri reported that at the Battle of
    Hunain Allah’s Messenger sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy
    and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the
    Companions of Allah’s Messenger seemed to refrain from having
    intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being
    polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:” And women
    already married, except those whom your right hands possess (Quran 4:.
    24)” (i. e. they were lawful for them when their ‘Idda period came to an
    end).

    Sahih Muslim 8:3432

    There is an entire chapter devoted to this in the Sahih Muslim
    collection. The title of the chapter speaks in volumes as we read:

    Sahih Muslim. Chapter 29: Title: It is permissible to have
    sexual intercourse with a captive woman after she is purified of menses
    or delivery. In case she has a husband, her marriage is abrogated after
    she becomes captive.

    Ibn Kathir, the most prominent of all Qur’an interpreters, had this to say in regards to verse 4:24:

    The Ayah (verses) means Also (forbidden are) women
    already married, except those whom your right hands possess.), you are
    prohibited from marrying women who are already married, except those
    whom your right hands possess) except those whom you acquire through
    war, for you are allowed such women after making sure they are not
    pregnant. Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri said, “We
    captured some women from the area of Awtas who were already married, and
    we disliked having sexual relations with them because they already had
    husbands. So, we asked the Prophet about this matter, and this Ayah
    (verse) was revealed, Also (forbidden are) women already married, except
    those whom your right hands possess). Accordingly, we had sexual
    relations with these women.” (Alternate translation can be: as a result
    of these verses, their (Infidels) wives have become lawful for us) This
    is the wording collected by At-Tirmidhi An-Nasa’i, Ibn Jarir and Muslim
    in his Sahih.

    Forbidding Women Already Married, Except for Female Slaves
    Tafsir Ibn Kathir

    Similarly in Tafsir al-Jalalayn (Qur’an interpretation by two Jalals namely: Jalaluddin Mahalli and Jalaluddin Suyuti):

    And, forbidden to you are, wedded women, those with
    spouses, that you should marry them before they have left their spouses,
    be they Muslim free women or not; save what your right hands own, of
    captured [slave] girls, whom you may have sexual intercourse with, even
    if they should have spouses among the enemy camp, but only after they
    have been absolved of the possibility of pregnancy [after the completion
    of one menstrual cycle]; this is what God has prescribed for you.

    Qur’an 4:24
    Tafsir al-Jalalayn

    The tafsir attributed to Ibn Abbas, Muhammad’s paternal cousin, further confirms:

    And all married women (are forbidden unto you save
    those (captives) whom your right hands possess) of captives, even if
    they have husbands in the Abode of War, after ascertaining that they are
    not pregnant, by waiting for the lapse of one period of menstruation.
    (It is a decree of Allah for you) that which I have mentioned to you is
    unlawful in Allah’s Book.

    Qur’an 4:24
    Tafsir ‘Ibn Abbas

    Further Verses

    Verses 23:1-6

    There are other verses in the Qur’an similar to verse 4:24. For example, Surah al-Mumenoon makes mention of successful Muslims and their characteristics:

    Successful indeed are the believers, who are humble
    in their prayers and who keep aloof from what is vain and who are givers
    of poor-rate and who guard their private parts, except before their
    mates or those whom their right hands possess, for they surely are not
    blamable.

    Qur’an 23:1-6

    Guarding private parts is denotative of abstaining from sexual
    activities. The Qur’an points out successful believers are those who are
    indulging in sexual activities only with their wives and sex-slaves.

    Verses 70:29-30

    This is confirmed again in Surah al-Maarij:

    And those who guard their private parts, except in
    the case of their wives or those whom their right hands possess– for
    these surely are not to be blamed,

    Qur’an 70:29-30

  • Ani Zonneveld

    You don’t have to be a scholar of Islam to understand Quran’s stance on justice. All the Mullahs and their jurisprundence is the root of the corruption of the way Islam is practiced now. So power to you!!

  • the_lion
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  • oldblindjohn

    Does a women who claims to have been raped has to produce 4 reliable muslim males as witnesses to avoid being punished under hudud law?

    If a woman claims that she has been raped, she does not have to bring any witnesses to prove her claim; her word will be taken as truth without the need of any witnesses whatsoever. And because she claimed she was raped, she will be treated honorably and free of any wrong doing whatsoever. There is absolutely no question of any punishment for her, because she was the innocent party and a victim of the heinous crime committed against her.

    But if the woman who is raped accuses that so and so specific person or people raped her, then there are only two ways an Islamic Court can convict the accused rapist/s:

    The accused rapist confesses to his heinous crime; or

    she produces four witnesses to justify her claim that so and so person raped her.

    If the accused rapist does not confess, and the woman is unable to produce the four witnesses; then the Court can levy upon her the case of kazaf or falsely accusing somebody.

  • Nina Hakim

    Sharia law was produce by low desires of “Men’ to justify of what they did to every nation. Read your your sicking history… How Many countries where Christian and Jews beliefs at one time, but the Prophet of Peace beheaded Millions of people who did not convert to the Peaceful religion we know today “Islam”. Took women and young female children for sex-slaves. When a mujahideen (fighter for the sake of Allah) get 72 virgin women of paradise Its funny every time your Prophet had low desires in his heart for women a new “Revelation was sent to him from Allah. How convenient. Its a shame!

  • Snowmuncher

    Graeme Wood, an expert on Islamic State wrote in his article for The Atlantic:

    “The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic. Yes, it has attracted psychopaths and adventure seekers, drawn largely from the disaffected populations of the Middle East and Europe. But the religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from coherent and even learned interpretations of Islam.”

    As we know, IS rape non-Muslims on the basis of the justification that they are “captured in battle” or are “bought as slaves.”

    Most honest experts without an axe to grind confirm that Islamic State’s version of Islam is in line with and close to Saudi Wahhabism Islam, probably the dominant force in Islam today.

  • Tawhid al-Almany

    That’s out of question. And even 4 witness may not prove it because they can be lying so their testimony should be estimated.
    Those who question that are trashy takfir sluts and pimps who are into prostituion and extort money from unwilling customers with fake allegations.

  • Tamara Hussey Jewer
  • Tamara Hussey Jewer

    All the links prove what is said. Contradicts everything you just wrote, btw. http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/10/28/punished-for-being-raped-the-burden-of-women-under-sharia/

  • Tamara Hussey Jewer

    It’s too bad that history, reality, gathering of statistical information, including things like 4 out of 5 Middle Eastern girls are sexually abused, usually by a close male family member, between the ages of 6 and 9, all sanctioned by the Koran and the words of Muhammed, all contradict what you have said.

  • Fai Rdinkum

    The question was NOT about adultery, it was about RAPE, why have you not even bothered to answer this poor girls question. There was no suggestion of marriage in the question and the question was quiet clear. What are you trying to hide.

  • David

    I don’t feel like this article explained at all why Qatar, Egypt, Yemen, Pakistan, Sudan, Iran, Iraq, Aphganistan, Libya and Saudi Arabia all require that a woman has 4 male witnesses to report rape, or why all those countries have women in jail because they tried to report rape.

  • Enio Angelo

    One consideration could be to count the number of bruises she has on her body, particularly around the upper, inner thigh and genital areas, staying away from any bruising on her face since those may be self-inflicted…
    Thankfully (and unfortunately) reasoning such as this emerge mainly from ideas within the: “How to cover up a gang-rape” school of thought.

  • Ronmar Segev

    What? taqiyyah lies?. By the Sharia laws, one way to prove rape, that the woman did not committ adultery/fornication is by 4 (male) witnesses OR by the rapist confesses. If the rapist won’t confess and there are no 4 witnesses? That’s Zina, and he woman is blamed with adultery/fornication. That’s not an “interpretation” or a mistake, those are the Sharia Laws. Also, the raped victim marry the rapist (in Turkey, in Afghanistan, Jordan, in Morroco a girl suicided because that Sharia court decision… And now in Dec 2016, was reported that Lebanon gov wants to abolish this law), is a Sharia Law. And those are only 2 examples of the evil Sharia laws, also, by the Sharia Laws, if a couple divorces, the children (if not babies, small) go with the father, not with the mother..and it goes on…Lie that is is not Islam, that is “islamophobia” is as evil as the laws themselves

  • Teribithy Razer

    you missed quted the quran
    it is chapter 24 verse 2 not three

  • reginashwartz
  • You are Mad

    Bogus lady read 24:13 “Produce four male witnesses to prove the rape and if fail then, they are liars in the sight of Allah and need to punished for lie” (Qur’an 24:13).

  • You are Mad

    Bogus lady read 24:13 “Produce four male witnesses to prove the rapee and if fail then, they are liars in the sight of Allah and need to punished for lie” (Qur’an 24:13).

  • Alex David

    Nice to know that you agree that people should be lashed 100 times for adultery. Too bad OUR laws are in place instead of your barbaric 7th Century Sharia Laws.

  • Alex David

    Countries where in some cases a woman’s testimony is worth half of that of a man:

    Bahrain (in Sharia courts)
    Egypt (in family courts)
    Iran (in most cases)
    Iraq (in some cases)
    Jordan (in Sharia courts)
    Kuwait (in family courts)
    Libya (in some cases)
    Morocco (in family cases)
    Palestine (in cases related to marriage, divorce and child custody)
    Qatar (in family law matters)
    Saudi Arabia
    Syria (in Sharia courts)
    United Arab Emirates (in some civil matters)
    Yemen (not allowed to testify at all in cases of adultery and retribution)

  • Bob Geese

    Someone needs to tell the countries that are stoning women to death (along with honor killings, murdering gays, etc) that this women says it’s not true!!! Somebody call CNN…

  • disqus_dGZxBjnnY3

    Right out of the book
    Quran (24:4) – “And those who accuse free women then do not bring four witnesses, flog them…” Strictly speaking, this verse addresses adultery (revealed at the very time that Muhammad’s favorite wife was being accused of adultery on the basis of only three witnesses coincidentally enough). However it is a part of the theological underpinning of the Sharia rule on rape, since strict Islamic law does not recognize rape if there are not four male witnesses or a confession.

    Quran (24:13) – “Why did they not bring four witnesses of it? But as they have not brought witnesses they are liars before Allah.”

  • democracy dave

    Quran (24:13) – “Why did they not bring four witnesses of it? But as they have not brought witnesses they are liars before Allah.”

    Quran (2:282) And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women, such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her.

    Quran (2:223) – “Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will…”

    there is so much more but i don’t want to bore you

    know your facts and be honest