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Five Years After The Arab Spring: Where Is Egypt Now?

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  • Just Saying

    wow. I was waiting for the blame America part. but it never came.
    unfortunately, it really is starting to look like arabs just aren’t ready for democracy. although Tunisia is a glimmer of hope. they even had a governmental transfer of power already. of course that was after two secular politicians were shot. but the islamists did step down after election.
    I think the main problem with this article is the perceived unity.

    • Asham

      You never let them have their democracy. The main problem with Arabs that they cannot wait for another election albeit their leaders also don,t allow it to happen. But then again democracy did not come in a jiffy in france and America. Even after american civil war and american independence it took decades to give women and blacks their voting rights or for that matter to estabilish democracy in France. England had success in those regards while Germany,s Weimar failed. Tunisia somehow succeeded while others failed. Syria failed miserably while Egypt is on a thread. Iran in a way was on the path to acquire secular democracy in 1950s but then I blame America and britain for that.

      • Just Saying

        hey, what is up asham. man, get you away from religious superstitions and you sound down right reasonable. you don’t think that the assassination attempt of the shah in 49 had anything to do with stifling democratic reforms in iran? I know I know, all you see is the 53 coup to reinstate him. but speaking of iran, the green revolution pre-dated the arab spring. even with that girl getting shot on youtube, the regime held on. interesting that in places with American influence, ben ali in Tunisia and Mubarak in Egypt the dictators stepped down with very little violence. but were America had no influence, Libya, Syria you see civil war.
        you are right, they can’t wait for the next election. plus they seem to think it is going to be some sort of cure all. their main problems are economic and demographic. they don’t seem to mind the dictators as long as they have food on the table. the arab spring was brought on by economic factors and of course the baby boom of the muslim world. you get a bunch of unemployed men standing around and something has got to give.
        as for democracy in a jiffy. there is a big difference in forging a new political system, as England, America and France did, and simply implementing an existing system.

        • Asham

          Just Saying I do condemn the Indonesian province of Aceh but you must understand that province has a history of seperatism. You should understand the dynamics behind the formation of Indonesia after Dutch rule to understand that. On one part Ii agree but you are mixing to things. Palestinian right toself determination as an independent soverign state has nothing to do with religion. Yes ofcourse arabs being muslims and jews being jews complicates things but one must not forget that many founding members of PLO or west bank were and are christian as well. I agree on your western philosophy part but I don,t know man. Israel is not what you think it is. It has occupied Palestinian territories since 4 decades. And I dont know man you always inject scriptures. I have read bible the book on which Israel is based and I think its quite hypocritical of you to deny Palestinians their right of self determination just because of Quran and religious scriptures. And I think you should read Old Testament maybe you would not remain a fan Israelis either. And stop with the crap they are not religious or are atheists. I will not buy it I assure you.

          • Just Saying

            muslism often have a history of separatism. look at the southern Philippines.
            what is important to understand about the formation of Indonesia when the providence wants to implement the hadd punishments? what does Suharto have to do with lashing fornicators? gays?
            when did I say that the isrealis are atheist. I think they are religious nuts. they believe that god wants them to rule the area. just like muslims think god wants them to rule the area of ‘the farthest mosque’. or mecca and medina. or the world.
            of course isreali has occupied the area for the last 70 years. the jews conquered Palestine after the brits withdrew from the british mandate. that is what conquerors do, they occupy. they started to work on conquering the area before the balfour declaration.

          • Just Saying

            why would you condemn the province of aceh for doing what the koran says?

          • Asham

            Just like Jews dont condemn gays and christians pretty much are OK everything right now. Let me remind you all are abrahmic religions albeit Islam considers the previous two as outdated and their texts including Old Testament as perverted over time by their time. I am not saying this Prophet is. He also denied that Lut slept with his daughters. Phillipines, you should know better because America ruled that country after spanish american war and the history between moro people and USA is a longer one then intervention by the latter in middle east. The present estabalishment does not treat moro, a derogatory word for muslims in Phillipines very well.

          • Just Saying

            yes, all are Abrahamic, no need to remind me. they are all a danger to modernity. separation of religion and government is the greatest concept of the American constitution. unfortunately, most muslims, and I mean a big majority, see islam as not only a religion but a form of government.

            what does McKinley’s poor choice to keep the Philippines as a territory have to do with the current muslim and the predating muslims insurgency there. I know your first instinct is to blame America for everything, but the muslims have been fighting for an independent ‘isalmic state’ (that term sounds familiar) long before 1898.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangsamoro_(political_entity)

            I still don’t get why you, as a muslim (I’m assuming), would be against the providence of Aceh implementing Islamic law?

  • Anees

    I don’t know if it was from an internal source or from the media, but I’ve always been uncomfortable and confused by the term “Islamist” Seems like it was given a more clear definition here, but when I hear it, it seems like it’s trying to put a negative flavor or connotation on Islam itself.