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Abu Eesa Wants to Explain Your Period

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  • maryam

    well, this should wake up muslim women..
    YOU should post something about the menstrual cycle in islam. this man sees no women able or wanting to do this so, guess what? he takes the matter into his own hands. if you dont want him to do that i again repeat, do it yourself

  • Jekyll

    shannon i swear you are a jackass…

    • Just Saying

      Jekyll, what is wrong? didn’t your prophet talk abut menstruation on multiple occasions? if it is a topic worthy of a prophet, then why not muslimgirl?

  • Faziana

    It’s men like this who made me turn away from religion for so long. Going to Islamic Sunday school, I was always “educated” by men about what I should or shouldn’t wear, or how I should or shouldn’t act. It was condescending and demoralizing. Even as a nine year old I could tell that their “teachings” were not something that I wanted to follow. Unfortunately, I was so uninspired after all the “you’ll go to hell if you don’t do this” that it took me years before I decided to start learning about Islam again. And even now, I do it hesistantly.

    • Jekyll

      Don’t do it all…Islam is just another religion. Go live your life.

    • Krishna Murti

      No educated self assured woman need to fall into their trap. When there are better educated options then them. I consider them predators. Not scholars. That is their shtick!

      Now all grownup you can review your own religion and have your own insights and make your own conclusions. To carry child hood frustrations, inhibitions and trauma into adulthood is baggage that should be studied, understood and jettisoned. Why carry old mill stones around your neck.

      • Shuukla Ranii

        Thank you for giving courage to simple women to stand up for their rights.

    • Shuukla Ranii

      I am with you on this 100%.

    • jaki

      Thank you – I feel the same way about my religious upbringing. I just want the truth.

  • Just Saying

    “You know who has absolutely no ability to teach on the topic of menstruation? Abu Eesa — who does not have a vagina, who has not experienced menstruation, and who can only discuss menstruation in theory” by this logic Muhammad should have kept his mouth shut about menstruation too.
    I did think ‘flow of information’ was funny though.

    • Krishna Murti

      You talk shit. Muhammad said nothing on mensuration. How do you know what he said. Where you there? Muhammad only parroted what was told him by God to say. And nothing else. Muhammad said nothing of his own. He was uneducated. He was unread. And he could not write. You and your Loonwatch Loons halfwits, nitwits, and dimwits make up stuff to confuse and puzzle simple minded gullible folk.

      Muhammad said nothing of his own. That right was taken from him by God at penalty of death. Read it in the Qur’an. Don’t you Loonwatch have anything to do, anything to do except propagate lies about Islam and Muhammad?

      Have ever read and understood the Qur’an? Can you read Arabic.? Do you know how to read the Quran, even an English translation and understand its meaning? I have seen plenty of your and Ilisha’s cut and paste.

      You both pontificate a lot of rubbish. You both know nothing about Islam except cut and paste from various web sites. Never seen any of you come up and write some thing in your own words except imbecilic drivel. Neither of you are Muslim. Neither of you know how to read the Quran. Day and night your only job is to rubbish and ridicule Islam and Muhammad when you are not busy abusing them.

      You are an atheist, as is she, as are those who just upvoted you. You are all trouble makes and disinformation agents. Abu Eas should be shut down. He is charlatan and a snake oil sales man. He talks rubbish. Not science and not religion.

  • Seyda

    I am sorry but I have to disagree. This position is too harsh and I think the language is very demeaning.
    I don’t think gynaecologists are the only ones entitled to speak about menstruation. Like everything that pertains to life, our religion has also a say in how our body operates and how we should take care of it. I am all for women scholars lecturing us about the issue, but since none of them are doing that, I don’t see a problem in a male scholar giving a lecture about menstruation if he is knowledgeable about the religious dimension of the subject.
    I have seen many male scholars giving lectures about marriage, motherhood, the value of women in Islam, and very successfully so.
    I do also think that women scholars should be put forward and given way more opportunities than they are given now. But we don’t need to disregard or debase male scholars to promote that. I don’t know much about Abu Easa as a scholar, but I do think that your position is very generalising and the language you’re using is very degrading. I don’t see a reasonable or logical argument in this article. I only see a rant. If we as Muslim women spent more time ameliorating ourselves and organising such events, and spent less time focusing on male scholars, I think we would get much better results.

    • Lady with a voice

      I couldn’t agree with you more Seyda. I have studied the fiqh of menstruation, from both male and female scholars, and I have to say that just being a woman or a medical practitioner doesn’t mean you’re qualified to teach the fiqh of menstruation. Only a scholar of fiqh is qualified to do that. Our religion gives us guidance on ALL aspects of life, including menstruation, and it is a MERCY to us. A women who has irregular periods and doesn’t know when she should be praying and when she needs to do ghusl won’t get her answer from a Gyn. Until we have more female scholars running these kinda lectures, I’m welcome to a male teacher attempting to teach it. And as women, it is our responsibility to go and find the information, wherever it may be. I found the tone of this post incredibly harsh and a little bit immature.

      • Krishna Murti

        A women who has irregular periods and doesn’t know when she should be praying and when she needs to do ghusl won’t get her answer from a Gyn.”
        Rubbish. If a woman is not having regular periods then she must see her gynecologist immediately. Who may want to consult with an endocrinologist for a second opinion. Formal prayer and ghusal are the least of her worries when such symptoms appear.

        Compared to men, who merely have a myriad of nerves and pumps and drainage and stuff and problems coming from the prostate in advanced old age, women have an industrial complex that is complicated enough to manufacture babies and produce nourishment for them. It is one of the most complex system of the human body. And the slightest aberration there must be attended to immediately.

        Clearly the God who made that industrial complex complicated enough that it makes love to a man, makes a baby and feeds and nourishes it…knows how complicated and finely tuned it is. Surely He is not going to chastise you for missing formal prayers and ghusal.

        Unless you live in the Stone Age or have an Ogre Monster for a god don’t listen to this uneducated idiot Abu Esa. He should be tried for unethical practices and forbidden to lead ignorant women to their death and seduction using some man made fiqh as vehicle and device.
        Fiqh of Mensuration!
        Give me break!!

        You should see a medical specialist.You should read the practical and pragmatic Quran. Not the Torah which has rituals impossible for a human to follow. This idiot is expounding from man myths.

        • Shuukla Ranii

          You talk sense but these religious nuts have no self respect for their own bodies and health. Shame on them for discussing women’s most intimate bodily functions with strangers.

  • Ayat

    Imam Ahmad Bin Hanbal had no Vagina, Mastered Menstruation in 9 years. And thought it like thousands of other penis ladened scholars. Abu Eesa came with an edge over them ALL as a health practitioner in his OWN RIGHT, taught and critiqued the classical work whenever he found biases and gave isolated opinions that fitted the realities of the Female students he was engaging with. On two occasions after refuting pseudo-feminists criticisms on Men teaching the subject, he highlighted the need for more women to come out, learn so as to share their experiences as experts over nuanced issues male scholars havn’t settled yet. Some of his positions would have earned him the name “deviant” by many conservatives also. But nevermind..

    • Krishna Murti

      “thousands of other penis ladened scholars.
      Nope. Not a scholar. I doubt. And not much penis laden either, I assure you. Should you go there you will first have to go through folds of lard to get to his little thingy. Thats the same ordeal Ilisha of Loonwatch is facing with her obese new beau Mike/JustSaying. But she tries. You have to give her that.

      • Shuukla Ranii

        You are hilarious. I like that.

        • Krishna Murti

          Just trying to make MuslimGirl stand up on her feet and look pretty. This magazine blog has much to offer women, and men who love them, but is not getting the visitor traffic it deserves. So am putting in my two cents worth to pull her up.

          But thanks. I appreciate your encouragement.

      • Tom Lawson

        “…you will first have to go through folds of fat and lard to get to his little fat thingy like a door knob […] Thats the same ordeal Ilisha of Loonwatch is facing with her obese new beau Mike/JustSaying.”

        As I said you have a cold sense of humor. And a cruel turn of phrase. Best that Ilisha and Mike/JustSaying get a room, not make an exhibition of themselves on public media. She can then take her time groping for his knob under his lard.

        Having lights on will be good. She can’t see well. She has the beginnings of senile cataracts. I diagnosed for her. Had told her to see an ophthalmologist ASAP.

        • Krishna Murti

          “Beer goggles would make that “door knob” under that mound of lard more acceptable. Having lights on will be good. She can’t see well. She has the beginnings of senile cataracts. I diagnosed for her.”

          Thats a bummer. Cataracts and beer goggles. Ilisha does not drink. So they are out. Has a sweet tooth but eats frugally, sparingly, more or less.

          El Cid saw only the good, kind, noble and wholesome in her. She would have made a good wife to him even with that discrepancy in age…if she was with age to have a family with him.

          Ilisha is a good person except for occasional flashes of anger. She is idealistic and passionate. Takes care of herself. Ilisha has no addictions. Ilisha is a good girl.

          Except for that urge for casual sex that overrides her judgment. An addiction that dominates her personality, all else in her life. Makes her lie. Lies follow to cover lies. Apprehension, suspicion, fear, projection and paranoia result.

        • Krishna Murti

          “Beer goggles would make that “door knob” under that mound of lard more acceptable. Having lights on will be good. She can’t see well. She has the beginnings of senile cataracts. I diagnosed for her.”

          Thats a bummer. Cataracts and beer goggles. Ilisha does not drink. So they are out. Has a sweet tooth but eats frugally, sparingly, more or less.

          El Cid saw only the good, kind, noble and wholesome in her. She would have made a good wife to him even with that discrepancy in age…if she was within age to have a family with him.

          Ilisha is a good person except for occasional flashes of anger. She is idealistic and passionate. Takes care of herself. Ilisha is a good girl. Ilisha has no addictions.

          Except for that urge for casual sex that on occasion overrides her judgment. An addiction that dominates her personality, all else in her life. Makes her lie. Lies follow to cover lies. Apprehension, suspicion, fear, projection and paranoia result.

          That the Ilisha, El Cid seems not to see. I want to know why. Was there something spiritual between them? That is what I want to know? Why the “Carte Blanch” to her? A word that has entered her vocabulary.

          And the Quran VS Hadith that she is beginning to comprehend after a year he told her.. There is much common between them. Then came that AJ between them. AJ came on to him. He snubbed her brutally and she took are revenge by poisoning Ilisha’s mind against him. Is still at it. I am trying to reach him but he is not responding.

          • Tom Lawson

            How do you reconcile:
            “El Cid saw only the good, kind, noble and wholesome in her. She would have made a good wife to him…
            And:
            “Ilisha is a good person…she is idealistic, passionate. Takes care of herself. Ilisha is a good girl. Ilisha has no addictions.”
            With this:
            Urge for casual sex that…overrides her judgment. An addiction that dominates her personality. Makes her lie. Lies follow to cover lies. Apprehension, suspicion, fear, projection and paranoia […]

            Further, what about her unethical, irresponsible, biased and bigoted behavior, moderator’s privilege she uses to skew the intent of posters and the purpose of Loonwatch? What about her using her moderator’s privileges to scrounge for sex?

            How do you reconcile all this with her being noble in El Cid’s eyes?

  • http://www.loonwatch.com Ilisha

    If you don’t want to go to the lecture, don’t go. Why are you making a big deal out of this? Too many women seem determined to prove common steretypes about women are spot on–emotional hysterics who are always complaining about something.

    Abu Esa didn’t even say all the things he was accused of during the previous controversy, when hysterical feminists ganged up on him on Twitter. Suhaib Webb even apologized to Abu Esa for his role in that mess, acknowledging some of the accuastions were simply false. Abu Esa apologized anyway for any offense, yet it’s still brought up as if this somehow proves he’s a monster.

    If a man wants to give a lecture about mentruation and some people want to attend, let them. It’s their right. What’s it to you?

    Again, if you don’t like the idea, don’t go to the lecture. (Non) issue resolved.

    • Krishna Murti

      @ Hi Ilisha: You removed my rational response to 1DrM at Loonwatch. I guess you wanted to have it posted here. Well here it is:
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      1DrM –> Krishna Murti • 20 days ago
      “Talk about demented overcompensation! You sound like a typical idiotic, sexually frustrated hindutva bowel movement with multiple aliases, zero substance and a clear inferiority complex. Is your H1B visa stalled?
      …………………………………………………………………….
      Reply: Krishna Murti –> 1DrM 2 hours ago
      “Is your H1B visa stalled?
      I don’t need any such visa. I am an American citizen. Born and bred. I have post graduate qualifications superior to yours. And more of them.

      You have repeatedly removed over a dozen of my posts and after removing each of them you come up with such organic drivel which is a reflection of your limitations, inferiority complex, economic frustrations and failed desires. It proves that you are shy of taking me on, one on one. You are an embittered person as any one can see. An example of the stereotype of a Muslim bigot one hears about.

      As for your innuendo, please know that Ilisha is near my mother’s age, more like an auntie to me. I have addressed her as such many a time in respect. Unfortunately those posts were removed. Thus skewing my views. Creating a false image. This is about as unethical as possible.

      Her sexual habits and proclivities are none of my business. America is a promiscuous sexually free country. As a feminist she is free more than most, takes more than her full share of it. Again: Not my business.

      One thing that is becoming clear to everyone who can read is that both of you have serious emotional and mental problems and are essentially are fakes and frauds imposed on this community. Just as is this propaganda hate site. Anyone who believes any of you cannot be much of an independent thinker or intellect.

      Your behavior, etiquette and language is unbecoming of a Muslim. Many of them work on my team, I know. You may be a Muslim by birth but it is not reflected in your language and behavior.

      Ilisha does not matter as she is an agnostic Hindu. As such she does not count, is irrelevant to pontificate on Islam. Her feminist lifestyle does not count as an example of a Muslim woman. She is not a Muslim. This is the easiest thing to prove. And she does that herself, again and again, every time she posts. I have had her vetted by scholar level Muslims on my team. They all concur that she is not a Muslim.

      Next: I know more of the Quran than both of you put together. She of course cuts and paste and not being a Muslim is not even in the running. Ilisha can’t read the Quran in the original. She has not even read a complete translation of it in English or has not understood it. Anyone can cut n paste. And she does it well. It does not make one Muslim. She is not a Muslim. Period.

      She thus does not matter. What matters is you: An obscenity, a profane caricature of Muslims.

      • http://www.loonwatch.com Ilisha

        You guess I wanted to have it posted here? You guessed wrong.

        I don’t care where you post your comments, as long as it’s not LW. You aren’t welcome there.

        Also, if I don’t matter, why do you keep talking about me? If I’m irrelevant, it makes sense for you to devote your comments to something or someone else.

        Take care.

        • Krishna Murti

          I am not talking about you. We profile evil, the illegal, the unethical and the corrupt. We are researching Loonwatch. It is a suspicious, secretive and manipulative organization. It spreads hate and divisiveness and bigotry in an already charged atmosphere while hiding in the cloak of anonymity. But not for long now.

          It has forged documents and registration. Anti virus research agencies are interested. As the President has said those who slander the Prophet of Islam, they will not prosper. You spread divisiveness and spread hate by using various devises. Did you not learn when enough is enough, you hypocritical bigot.

          You Ilisha of Loonwatch stand out as a drama queen. A hypocritical liar living two lives. One as a slut the other insulting a great religion and their sacred texts under the guise of being a Muslim which is an absurd lie. You are no Muslim. You have guile and hate for Muslims and everything Islam. But you hide it well.

          You are the enemy of Islam, of Muslims and humanity in general because of your ability to manipulate, having no ethics, no morality and no shame.You are an agent provocateur.

          You abuse feminists and innocent assertive women in general with your absurd self righteousness while living a double life as a part time slut. You castigate the slightest errors of young innocent girls and women when all your life you have been fucking your colleagues, friends and neighborers, fathers and their sons after making friends with the wives and mothers. At least now at your age, you shameless old cougher, you should know better.

          I report only 10% of what Rohitt has fretted out about you. Rohitt has taken a ‘liking’ to you. No not in the way you are used to. He considers you sh it, a menopausal turd, an old hag still on the make. The word he use for you is ” Puppakutni”. I was not sure what it meant. He said it was the name used in Hindi for a Slut Witch who devours the one she fucks. Fit you well don’t you think. You are provocateur who uses sex as a craft.

          You are old enough to be Rohitt’s mother. He has made you his special profiling project. He has gathered huge amount of much material on you to interest me. It goes back years to your twitter and blog days . A years before that. He knows how to link up and cross reference huge amounts of data.stuff.

          According to it you fucked almost all your work buddies. Most of them from South Asia. I understand that first time it was forced or near forced upon you on a date. But you were most willing after that. Not only cooperative but aggressively sought out men of all sorts to fuck. Now he is trying to locate some of them for their stories. I will remind and fill you in when he has completed the interviews. I think he already has two confirmed and one needs clarification cross check.

          Most of it I keep under my encryption and password. I have little to do with it except read his reports. And keep them confidential. For example your name, city, state and such. Yes we have all those. But they will remain confidential.

          I have set high ethical professional standards. I have to maintain. them. We don’t give out raw data. This is not going to be a witch hunt. All names will be changed or encrypted, password mathematically locked where no one person has a complete key to activate it.

          I would have asked him Rohitt to deal with it himself, as I don’t have the time, but his English is atrocious, hard to figure out even for me. His computer skills are excellent so he stays on. I have only touched the tip of the ice berg. To teach you never to to be arrogant and stupid to strangers, never to look down on and degrade people who did you no harm. Because you have that narcissistic sadomasochistic streak in you.

          “I don’t care where you post your comments, as long as it’s not LW. You aren’t welcome there.”
          Obviously not. I know I am not welcome at Loonwatch. I don’t know why except that I don’t do sluts. And I know who are welcome and why. Yes, you got it.

          ” it makes sense for you to devote your comments to something or someone else.”

          I don’t take orders from arrogant sluts. You who is stupid as a stone now teaching me sense. Thats a good one. You removed my neutral comments. Without reason or explanation except because you could. Then you people continued to abuse me while removing my defensive replies. You indeed a shameless sadistic incestuous lot.

          Totally unethical bigots, while not letting me reply you proceeded to slander and abuse me, my religion, used the most vulgar of profanities for my parents and heritage.

          This is indeed amusing for you coming from the same Hindu heritage of South Asia. And you are far darker in skin color than me. In fact you are an old ugly flabby hag. Racist bigotry coming from you and your ilk at Loonwatch would be amusing if it was not so wounding to others and stone stupid.

          Ilisha, you take care to.

          • http://www.loonwatch.com Ilisha

            You have quite an imagination, El Cid. Very amusing. :-)

          • Krishna Murti

            I have the facts. Why are you stalking me here? Why are you following me? Why are you addressing me here when you removed a dozen of my posts without reading them and said you will not let allow me a fair post at Loonwatch. I can do stupidity. But I don’t truck with arrogance and stupidity combined as it is in you.

            Because you Loonwatch Loons are low life. Trailer trash fakes and frauds, empty shells lacking humanity and grace. You can’t take the truth. You made your decision. One based on the IQ of a stone. I have never come across anyone in my life as stupid and foolishly arrogant as you. Totally lacking in grace, shame and Haya. Total uneducated shameless imbecile.

            And don’t give me that smile. You are little more than an idiot. A hypocritical liar and cheat. Go away. Don’t bother me again. Go amuse yourself. Go away.
            Shooo!

          • http://www.loonwatch.com Ilisha

            :-)

          • Krishna Murti

            And what is in your mouth full of Ilisha?

          • Krishna Murti

            As a Hindu you very well know that Krishna was a well known fucker. He did Ilisha too. Is that what you are teasing me for?

          • http://www.loonwatch.com Ilisha

            I’m not Hindu.

          • Krishna Murti

            Every thing about you says you non-Muslim with Hindu background from South Asia India. Your life style and sexual practices are agnostic Hindu.

            So What are you then?

          • http://www.loonwatch.com Ilisha

            Wiccan High Priestess.

          • Krishna Murti

            Rubbish. Don’t bullshit me. To get there you have to fuck a lot of men. How many have you fucked so far to achieve that status. And do you know what is the Wiccan Belief? And do you know you have broken it.

            No you are not Wiccan but a big fat liar.
            Now what are you. Don’t play with me or you lose. !00%. I am not forgiving like El Cid. Get?

          • http://www.loonwatch.com Ilisha

            You’re completely wrong abut me and “a lot of men.” Not that it’s any of your business.

            You are vulgar and crass. You imply you’re Hindu but your comments about Hindus are, in my view, insulting. I’m not Hindu. I’m not even South Asian. And I’m not a fat pscyho slut riding the carousel or whatever it is you said before. LOL. You just spew a lot of nonsense.

            Anyway, I’ve got to go. I have lentils to cook and spells to cast. Caio.

          • Krishna Murti

            I told you not to bullshit me. You are indeed stone stupid. I know you including your name.

          • http://www.loonwatch.com Ilisha

            Yes, definitely. Stone stupid. The worst of the worst of the worst old, fat, couch potato pycho slut carousel riders. You really shouldn’t waste your time. Run along and find yourself a quality lady. I wish you luck.

          • Krishna Murti

            You have made it my business. When you thrashed my posts and talked rubbish about me. My parents and race.You spread hate and deceit. You are the vulgar one. But you don’t see it when you wound and injure others who did you no harm. I treat people the way people treat me.

            The President has said that those who slander the Prophet of Islam will not prosper. Karma is surrounding you already, you Wiccan High Priestess Slut.

            You forgot that part when you profaned the Quran and Muhammad and his wives and children and discussed their private parts is infinite detail over a week. What do you think you were doing.

            Muslims told me to stop it. Stop Loonwatch and its slander of Islam and the Prophet and divisiveness it is causing on the Muslims of America especially. Creating hate targeting them with violence and sadness.on them. Your are the vulgar on . You are the Slut

          • http://www.loonwatch.com Ilisha

            Your hostility toward me seems utterly bizarre. I haven’t the slightest notion what you’re talking about. Please show me where I’ve been vulgar, and then let’s compare whatever it is I said to what you’ve said. I hate foul language, so good luck finding examples in MY comments.

            I profained the Qur’an? Really? I think not. I’ve never disrespected the Prophet and his family. And what do you care anyway, if you’re not a Muslim? How is Loonwatch slandering Islam? What you’re saying makes zero sense.

            No one is doing anything to you. YOU are insulting me in ways most vile. But that’s okay because I know for a fact you’re lying about all the men who are supposing reporting all manner or naughty deeds with me. Obviously I know the truth and need not fear your absurd accusations.

            Don’t assume when your posts are deleted, I’m always the culpret. I’m not the only mod.

            Anyway, this discussion between us is getting nowhere. I don’t plan to reply, so go ahead and have the last word.

            Peace to you and goodbye.

          • Krishna Murti

            The time for argument is over. You denied discussion. Peace was offered to you over and over, You trashed it in your arrogance and stupidity. You laughed and ridiculed. Continued your aggression and ridicule. Now the time is for you signing the surrender documents.

            I don’t have to discuss anything with you. Prove anything to you. You are not worth it. You are profane and vulgar. You will sign the surrender or continue as is. You have no choice.

            I care for all religions and specially Islam. I am not like you and LW bunch of imbeciles and sickos. Incestuous psychopaths. Blind leading the blind.

          • Krishna Murti

            I don’t want any word with you. You lost that.You don’t have that choice.anymore . I now hold all the card and chess pieces and have the brains.

            You only have arrogance stupidity and the Curse of Allah on you.When you slammed LW on me and trashed my most humble posts you trashed them in second. You lost that initiative. As I said you are stupid.

            You will sign the surrender document a step at a time.
            Thats all.

          • Krishna Murti

            That is what you think. Restore your deletes now. Else we will, in a different way. We will use your real picture. Step by gradual step.

            We will gradually fade it in so you will know when the real one is coming, by passing your avatar and on your ‘favorite ‘ and ‘friendly’ web sites. Spenser comes to mid. And Geller. And AT.

            Not bad an offer don’t you think? An offer you can’t refuse. As I said you are stupid as a stone. And never learn.

            And we are in no hurry. We have to do other work, our main work, too. So here is your last chance. Restore or we will with some additional tricks of the trade.

          • Krishna Murti

            @ Ilisha: This did not seem to have a place there and as instructed by you I have placed it here for your convenience:
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            El Cid here and El Cid there. El Cid everywhere. Its called obsession. Now collective obsession with your in group in tow. What did he do to get such a rise out of you. It should have been better if he should have just fucked you. And done with it.Then your coterie won’t mind.

            They get their vicarious jollies. That is what their interest is in all this. They must have empty sad lonely lives too, like you. Like reading a romantic novel. They are psychic vampires and parasites on you. And they don’t even know your name. I do. Possible El Cid does too.

            It been almost a year now. Forget him. Give it a rest. Let up, let it be. Or confront him. Get it over with one way or the other.

            What beats me is that you have no problem enjoying casual sex with multiple partners but have this obsessive compulsive thing going about romantic love with El Cid for so long. Get over it.

            Stop acting like a virgin school girl. You have fucked plenty of grown men all your life through. El Cid seems to have entered your fantasy life. It would have been a lot better around should he have just opened your legs like the others and entered you. Now confront him and get it over with or get treatment for your passive aggressive obsessive disorder. Get help.

            Is there anytime of the day when he is not on your mind. With you?. When you are with other men do you take his name at orgasm. Do you orgasm to his name, with his image and thoughts in mind to masturbate. Is that it? Don’t tell me you have not done that. Eh Ilisha !

          • HSkol

            Krishna, I am going to quit following you for the time-being. I don’t wish to see posts like this in my comments feed – tough for me to stomach. I’m not going private or anything, and I do intend to see you around. You and I speak well with one another, and I hope that we continue to do so, really.

            (I don’t like to speak of others, but I will here. Ilisha is her own person, permitted to live as she so wishes. I have no insight into her livelihood outside Disqus – and, it’s none of my business. I do read her far differently than you do though.)

            Take care.

          • Krishna Murti

            I understand you sir. Loonwatch opened fire on me. Declared war. War on me. Sorry that my response offended you. I had no choice. They kept calling me El Cid. And abusing me.

            Thank you for the heads up. I understand your position perfectly
            Thank you sir.

          • Krishna Murti

            ”Krishna, I am going to quit following you for the time-being.”

            I understand you well, sir. You have the absolute right to do so. I have not challenged your right to it. I did not ask you to follow me but considered it a complement that you did. I have not denied you that right. You may do so as you please in that respect. I believe in free speech and an individuals rights to it. How a person interprets it is his own.

            You sir, have been open, fair, kind, courteous and considerate towards me. I never forget a good turn. And try to forget a bad one done to me. You treated me as an equal human being without prejudice, bias or suspicion. Others on LW follow me too, focus on me, but are not honest about it, do not acknowledge it in anyway whatsoever. They condemned, abused me from the get go, for no reason except for paranoia, racism, religion and xenophobia. All covered and protected by the LW Moderator.

            With the most vile profanities, vulgarity, ridicule and derision they targeted me, my parents, my religion, my race. The only exception besides you is ‘Friend of Bosnia’. The moderator removed whole slews of my reasoned replies while allowing the abuse and ridicule continue to be heaped on me under her protection. [BTW your linking me to FOB was also removed by her]. This irresponsible undisciplined unethical behavior by the moderator drew my attention to her.

            You sir, are your own man and that is how it should be. Personal integrity, being true to ones own self is fundamental to everything else. The alternatives are lies, hypocrisy and cogitative dissonance. Often manifesting as anxiety disorder, as the mind rebels, and its varied downstream symptoms, often ending in overt illness. Pathological liars and sociopaths are immune but society is not, from what they inflict on it.

            As I said, I understand you. Where you are coming from. And much of the content and context of your comment.

            “I don’t wish to see posts like this in my comments feed – tough for me to stomach.”
            Similar but worse for me. They were forced on me. You have no idea what I have had to stomach, suffer and endure from LW’s moderator and her coterie. Unlike you I have to live in the real world not in the comment feed.

            I am mere tyro in my profession with a long way to go. But a man has to do what a man has to do. Enemy action and hate has been projected at me. Yet, I gave her plenty of avenues to help defuse the imbroglio. But she compounded it by removing the content and context of our dialog. Underlying such arrogance, hypocrisy, lies and belligerence…is guilt and often stupidity.

            I try not to get involved with a digital profile I develop. But it is an intimate and unforgiving process. I have to bone, flesh it, animate it. To understand and predict, project its behavior. Else I get fired. To profile and predict one has to become that person. One does not condemn oneself. I don’t condemn anyone’s life style. That should have become clear to you from my posts even though many were deleted on questionable ethics. And to skew their content and intent.

            I had already established that LW is a lie. A mischievous watering down of Islam and confusing its message by rhetoric, fabrications and other devises leading the neophyte astray. Blind leading the blind. LW is a front, facade, fake and a fraud disseminating lies, sowing hate provoking retaliation against Muslims, and between them, in an already charged atmosphere. This is inciting, provocative and criminal.

            Profiling El Cid was our original mandate because of his work. Profiling LW, others, followed as an offshoot. Wherever he led we followed covertly, silently. LW’s public face, its moderator Ilisha was a side issue initially. An attempt to find chinks in El Cid’s personality.

            We always look for significant women in a man’s life in order to know him. We profiled his mother and sister and his aunt. All clean cut highly educated professionals, distinguished in their carriers and fields. Charitable, philanthropic, generous to society and the disenfranchised. A solid traditional family. Not like you in LW try to impugn.

            Ilisha was a side issue at first till Rohitt, an associate in the team I am building, latched onto her as a defining issue for El Cid’s personality. Defining her, profiling her has become his obsession. He thinks she is an evil two faced person he has ever profiled in his life. And he has done many. He calls her Auntie witch: ”Pupphakutni” in Urdu/Hindi

            Irrational removal of my test posts in LW followed by abuse and ridicule heaped on me for no reason, except bigotry and xenophobia, attracted my personal attention to the LW moderator. It turns out that she is the face, sacrificial lamb, scapegoat for LW. We have to go through her to get to LW. We have a chart comparing her profile with the attributes El Cid saw in her.

            El Cid saw her as a sensitive, shy, polite, passionate woman, an elegant lady, graceful and poised as a princess. We have documented her as an adulterous, slanderous, self tortured woman finding solace in casual sex with a series of ‘lovers’, with no real bonding. Physical hookups but no emotional bonding except with El Cid. She remembers El Cid a year later even though they never met. As far as I can tell. She wanted to but he did not pick up on it. I can tell that to. He obviously wanted her as a life companion. And was building up to that. He was no quickie kind of guy she is used to. That is easy to tell, too.

            LW sees El Cid as stupid, crazy, creepy. Even insane as their new star mike/mike3/memike/Just Saying, calls him. Interestingly the avatar “Just Saying” he picked from one of El Cid’s posts to him. El Cid befriended him. They say copying is the highest form of flattery. But then Just Saying and Ilisha both have mastered cut n paste.

            Ilisha often plagiarizes from El Cid’s posts to her. Her shift from Hadith to Qur’an can be directly connected to a dialogue she had with Cid in which she was for Hadith. Its on a record she can’t erase as its not on LW.

            Cid pointed out to her that the Hadith degrades women, ridicules Muhammad and Islam. Dehumanizes Jews. It is the best weapon of the non Muslim against Islam. He told her that it stands against logic, science, the Qur’an and all that is good and common sense.

            After a year his logic seems to be sinking in her mind. El Cid is always in her mind 24/7. She has a passive aggressive obsessive love hate relationship with him. Everyone reminds her of him. She projects him on every body who posts to her. Except mike/Just Saying. Her current infatuation. At one time she though I was El Cid.

            I am not condemning or judging her. Her moral standards and rationalizations are her own. Not my business as I have stated a number of times in my posts to her. As for her lifestyle of casual sex, unethical moral behavior, lies to cover lies, illogical thinking…all that is her own. And not my business. Again: I have said before in a number of my posts.

            But when from that vile base of her lifestyle she ventures on to criticize the minor errors, mistakes, deprivations, peccadilloes and sins of others, condemning others for the very same things she does as a lifestyle and then continues on to denounce collectively the whole of the United States for its moral decadence…that sir, I can’t stomach. Such depravity and its projection on others is beyond me.

            Much like an idealistic med student who has not as yet learned, been given a thick skin by the hard knocks of his profession, who grieves for his patients, the first one who dies in his care, I grieve for Ilisha as I profile her. I sorrow, I exalt not her decadence.

            ”I’m not going private or anything”
            As you wish sir. Has little relevance to us. We have been able to flag and link El Cid to you successfully wherever either one of you has been turned into “Guest” by Discus or LW. Your and everyone’s privacy is important to us. But we can pick up any one on the web with Apps we have developed.

            ”…and I do intend to see you around.”
            Thank you, sir. I’d appreciate that. I will took to it and reciprocate. Initiate on my own too, if I may.

            “You and I speak well with one another, and I hope that we continue to do so, really.”
            I think so too. I don’t see any reason to change that. I always try to take the first step towards courtesy, camaraderie and friendship. Only the suspicious and guilty take me otherwise. And I can effectively respond to irrational behavior, animosity, and enemy action as was launched at me by LW Moderator Ilisha et al.

            “I don’t like to speak of others, but I will here.”
            Yes I know you will. You pick and chose sides when you want to. Not consistent or fair but okay by me. You are your own free agent and master and do what you want. As you please. Atheists are like that. They can turn on a dime. Agnostics and people of faith have hoops, hurdles and criteria they have to consider. You are okay with me as you are.

            “Ilisha is her own person, permitted to live as she so wishes”
            Permitted and permission are strong words. They have authoritative connotations. They imply, suggests subjugation and control.

            I repudiate your use on here. I believe that it is her inherent right as a human being to live as she pleases. She does not need anyones permission to exercise that right. A right that cannot be infringed by “Permitted” or “Permission” from anyone else. I believe in equality and liberty for all. A man or woman should be their own master. No permission or permit needed. It was hers the day she was born. This I believe above all.

            And El Cid from what I have discerned from his posts to Ilisha believes in total freedom and independence for women and cherish and encouraged in her. He was against the hijab for one. He despised AJ for and for being a sex slave to her husband.

            He openly showed his interest in Ilisha. Made himself totally vulnerable to her but left her to decide to come to him or walk away as she wills.

            Stab him in the heart or the back, which she chose to do. Was she testing him I have not been able to figure that out yet. Till I can find him I won’t know. Obviously she was not brought up to expect total independence in decision making he expected in her.

            ”I have no insight into her livelihood outside Disqus”
            You don’t but I have. More than you can imagine. For one, I know that for the most she lives a relatively frugal austere disciplined thoughtful healthy cerebral lifestyle…as appears to the casual observer.

            Inside her is a storm raging. An inferno in her mind often suppressed, sometimes bursting beyond her will. Then she lets go for a while. And destroys all she has built. She is her own worst enemy. You deny that and are blind or purposely look the other way.

            I accept the truth about her. Yet turn not away from her in denial, contempt or condemnation. As you have in your rationalization. She was a digital entity for me at the first. But as I flesh her she becomes more and more real to me. Unlike you I don’t deny her humanity. I accept her for what she is. I wish she would too.

            Most of all: El Cid accepted her as she is. And always comforted her, encouraged and blessed her. Even on his training runs on jogging trails he prayed for her well being and safety. It is all on a website she cannot erase.

            Only a depraved psychotic woman can turn away and rebuke and ridicule such a loving, caring, wholesome man. Yet she is unable to forget him and move on. Neither can her coterie. And they envy her for she had what they will never have. A man’s unconditional love for a woman.

            I am overwhelmed by the fortitude, understanding, patience, forgiveness, admiration, tenderness, adoration, and love that permeates El Cid’s posts to Ilisha. Unbelievable for a skeptic like me.

            The pictures he sent her, the poetry he wrote for her are overwhelming. One of the girls on our team had tears in her eyes as she profiled a writeup on those. She said it is a love story beyond compare as she filed her report.

            It is said that a picture is worth a thousand word. There is one on a website that is worth ten thousand and more. It says it all. I will try to post it to you on a site that allows pictures. You will know the meaning of what I saying here.

            El Cid was not crazy, creepy as you people in LW like to repeat. And not insane as your new star in LW repeats over and over again. The one Ilisha chased around the web again and got him in LW for the umpteenth time as profiled as and predicted by me that she would. And now is always talking to him 24/7 while deleting hundreds of other peoples posts. She is the crazy one. Totally demented. She should get a room rather than make an exhibit of herself on the web.

            More of that later as my prediction got me in hot waters with my supervisors. And had to give an hours presentation to them. And I had to email a detailed explanation to my mentors in the US for reasons and substantiation of such profiling.

            In this context: The most profound defense El Cid gave for Ilisha, she could do no wrong in his eyes, was:“Ilisha cannot tell, distinguish between the “Character of men and men of character”. Lamely suggesting perhaps that she was an vulnerable innocent girl who has never known men. He thought she was a lady.

            ”- and, it’s none of my business.”
            Was not my business either. Till she made it by attacking me. She then systematically profaned, through mechanisms and devises, that which a billion people or more hold most sacred. All done hiding behind camouflage and anonymity. LW’s modus operandi. You can not know this, you have no empathy for it because you have no faith.

            ”I do read her far differently than you do though.”
            No, you don’t read her at all. You can’t. You have not the tools. You could however in real life, face to face. There with you your experience of life and people you indeed may.

            Remember this I have been around the World. Lived and interacted in many cultures. Have lived, studied, worked in at least half of the United States except Hawaii and Alaska. I plan to do those too.

            I have been on top of the Empire State and the Twin Towers. BTW did you know El Cid’s sister was married in ‘Windows of the World” a little before 9-11. Small world is it not?

            “Take care.”
            You to, sir. And goodwill to you and your family.
            Regards.

          • HSkol

            You do know that I don’t typically have long posts (too much going on outside the electronic world to permit that), so pardon such a short reply to yours: I will see you around. It’ll be good to talk again. Thank you for your understanding. Have a great weekend.

    • Krishna Murti

      Deleting your posts was a tactical error you will regret over time. As I said stupid is as stupid does.

    • Krishna Murti

      @ ILISHA of LoonWatch
      Krishna Murti –>HSkol
      ”Krishna, I am going to quit following you for the time-being.”

      I understand you well, sir. You have the absolute right to do so. I have not challenged your right to it. I did not ask you to follow me but considered it a complement that you did. I have not denied you that right. You may do so as you please in that respect. I believe in free speech and an individuals rights to it. How a person interprets it is his own.

      You sir, have been open, fair, kind, courteous and considerate towards me. I never forget a good turn. And try to forget a bad one done to me. You treated me as an equal human being without prejudice, bias or suspicion. Others on LW follow me too, focus on me, but are not honest about it, do not acknowledge it in anyway whatsoever. They condemned, abused me from the get go, for no reason except for paranoia, racism, religion and xenophobia. All covered and protected by the LW Moderator.

      With the most vile profanities, vulgarity, ridicule and derision they targeted me, my parents, my religion, my race. The only exception besides you is ‘Friend of Bosnia’. The moderator removed whole slews of my reasoned replies while allowing the abuse and ridicule continue to be heaped on me under her protection. [BTW your linking me to FOB was also removed by her]. This irresponsible undisciplined unethical behavior by the moderator drew my attention to her.

      You sir, are your own man and that is how it should be. Personal integrity, being true to ones own self is fundamental to everything else. The alternatives are lies, hypocrisy and cogitative dissonance. Often manifesting as anxiety disorder, as the mind rebels, and its varied downstream symptoms, often ending in overt illness. Pathological liars and sociopaths are immune but society is not, from that they inflict on it.

      As I said, I understand you. Where you are coming from. And much of the content and context of your comment.

      “I don’t wish to see posts like this in my comments feed – tough for me to stomach.”
      Similar except worse done to me. They were forced on me. You have no idea what I have had to stomach, suffer and endure from LW’s moderator and her coterie. Unlike you I have to live in the real world not in the comment feed.

      I am mere tyro in my profession with a long way to go. But a man has to do what a man has to do. Enemy action and hate has been projected at me. Yet, I gave her plenty of avenues to help defuse the imbroglio. But she compounded it by removing the content and context of our dialog. Underlying such arrogance, hypocrisy, lies and belligerence…is guilt and often stupidity.

      I try not to get involved with a digital profile I develop. But it is an intimate and unforgiving process. I have to bone, flesh it, animate it. To understand and predict, project its behavior. Else I get fired. To profile and predict one has to become that person. One does not condemn oneself. I don’t condemn anyone’s life style. That should have become clear to you from my posts even though many were deleted on questionable ethics. And to skew their content and intent.

      I had already established that LW is a lie. A mischievous watering down of Islam and confusing its message by rhetoric, fabrications and other devises leading the neophyte astray. Blind leading the blind. LW is a front, facade, fake and a fraud disseminating lies, sowing hate provoking retaliation against Muslims, and between them, in an already charged atmosphere. This is inciting, provocative and criminal.

      Profiling El Cid was our original mandate because of his work. Profiling LW, others, followed as an offshoot. Wherever he led we followed covertly, silently. LW’s public face, its moderator Ilisha was a side issue initially. An attempt to find chinks in El Cid’s personality.

      We always look for significant women in a man’s life in order to know him. We profiled his mother and sister and his aunt. All clean cut highly educated professionals, distinguished in their carriers and fields. Charitable, philanthropic, generous to society and the disenfranchised. A solid traditional family. Not like you in LW try to impugn.

      Ilisha was a side issue at first till Rohitt, an associate in the team I am building, latched onto her as a defining issue for El Cid’s personality. Defining her, profiling her has become his obsession. He thinks she is an evil two faced person he has ever profiled in his life. And he has done many. He calls her Auntie witch: ”Pupphakutni” in Urdu/Hindi.

      Irrational removal of my test posts in LW followed by abuse and ridicule heaped on me for no reason, except bigotry and xenophobia, attracted my personal attention to the LW moderator. It turns out that she is the face, sacrificial lamb, scapegoat for LW. We have to go through her to get to LW. We have a chart comparing her profile with the attributes El Cid saw in her.

      El Cid saw her as a sensitive, shy, polite, passionate woman, an elegant lady, graceful and poised as a princess. We have documented her as an adulterous, slanderous, self tortured woman finding solace in casual sex with a series of ‘lovers’, with no real bonding. Physical hookups but no emotional bonding except with El Cid. She remembers El Cid a year later even though they never met. As far as I can tell. She wanted to but he did not pick up on it. I can tell that to. He obviously wanted her as a life companion. And was building up to that. He was no quickie kind of guy she is used to. That is easy to tell, too.

      LW sees El Cid as stupid, crazy, creepy. Even insane as their new star mike/mike3/memike/Just Saying, calls him. Interestingly the avatar “Just Saying” he picked from one of El Cid’s posts to him. El Cid befriended him. They say copying is the highest form of flattery. But then Just Saying and Ilisha both have mastered cut n paste.

      Ilisha often plagiarizes from El Cid’s posts to her. Her shift from Hadith to Qur’an can be directly connected to a dialogue she had with Cid in which she was for Hadith. Its on a record she can’t erase as its not on LW.

      Cid pointed out to her that the Hadith degrades women, ridicules Muhammad and Islam. Dehumanizes Jews. It is the best weapon of the non Muslim against Islam. He told her that it stands against logic, science, the Qur’an and all that is good and common sense.

      After a year his logic seems to be sinking in her mind. El Cid is always in her mind 24/7. She has a passive aggressive obsessive love hate relationship with him. Everyone reminds her of him. She projects him on every body who posts to her. Except mike/Just Saying. Her current infatuation. At one time she though I was El Cid.

      I am not condemning or judging her.Her moral standards and rationalizations are her own. Not my business as I have stated a number of times in my posts to her. As for her lifestyle of casual sex, unethical moral behavior, lies to cover lies, illogical thinking…all that is her own. And not my business. Again: I have said before in a number of my posts.

      But when from that vile base of her lifestyle she ventures on to criticize the minor errors, mistakes, deprivations, peccadilloes and sins of others, condemning others for the very same things she does as a lifestyle and then continues on to denounce collectively the whole of the United States for its moral decadence…that sir, I can’t stomach. Such depravity and its projection on others is beyond me.

      Much like an idealistic med student who has not as yet learned, been given a thick skin by the hard knocks of his profession, who grieves for his patients, the first one who dies in his care, I grieve for Ilisha as I profile her. I sorrow, I exalt not her decadence.

      ”I’m not going private or anything”
      As you wish sir. Has little relevance to us. We have been able to flag and link El Cid to you successfully wherever either one of you has been turned into “Guest” by Discus or LW. Your and everyone’s privacy is important to us. It has to be mutual and fair. You should not rubbish one at the alter of another.

      ”…and I do intend to see you around.”
      Thank you, sir. I’d appreciate that. I will took to it and reciprocate. Initiate on my own too, if I may.

      “You and I speak well with one another, and I hope that we continue to do so, really.”
      I think so too. I don’t see any reason to change that. I always try to take the first step towards courtesy, camaraderie and friendship. Only the suspicious and guilty take me otherwise. And I can effectively respond to irrational behavior, animosity, and enemy action as was launched at me by LW Moderator Ilisha et al.

      “I don’t like to speak of others, but I will here.”
      Yes I know you will. You pick and chose sides when you want to. Not consistent or fair but okay by me. You are your own free agent and master and do what you want. As you please. Atheists are like that. They can turn on a dime. Agnostics and people of faith have hoops, hurdles and criteria they have to consider. You are okay with me as you are.

      “Ilisha is her own person, permitted to live as she so wishes”
      That is a very biased view. I consider everyone to be their own person. Permitted and permission are strong words. They have authoritative connotations. They imply, suggests subjugation, suppression, imposition and control.

      I repudiate your use of them here. I believe that it is Ilisha’s inherent right as a human being to live as she pleases. She does not need anyones permission to exercise that right.

      That is her right as an equal human being. A right that cannot be infringed by “Permitted” or “Permission” from anyone else. I believe in equality and liberty for all. A man or woman should be their own master. No permission or permit needed. It was hers the day she was born. This I believe above all.

      And El Cid, from what I have discerned from his posts to Ilisha, strongly believes in total freedom and independence for women on their own cognizance. He cherished and encouraged her. He was against the hijab for one. He despised AJ for it and for being a sex slave to her husband.

      But when push came to shove Ilisha sided with AJ as all feminists are wont to do. Men are always wrong in their book. She did not even consider that the underlying cause was that AJ come on to El Cid And El Cid rebuffed her brutally. That infuriated AJ. And she poisoned Ilisha against him. Not once did Ilisha ask El Cid’s side of the story. That is the definition of feminists. They believe that men are always the oppressor. I wonder what it gained her in the end.

      El Cid openly showed his interest in Ilisha. Made himself totally vulnerable
      to her but left her to decide to come to him or walk away as she wills. There is no greater respect or love then that. And no greater confidence in a man to let the woman he loves chose on her own without pressure. That is the Muslim way. Muhammad never purposed to any of his wives. They did. But you need intelligence to sense that. A normal healthy woman would do so instinctively.

      Stab him in the heart or the back, which she chose to do. Was she testing him. Fighting him yet remembering him after this long. I have not been able to figure that out yet. Till I can find El Cid I won’t know. Obviously she was not brought up to expect total independence in decision making he automatically expected in her. Difference in parenting I guess.

      El Cid was perhaps too confident a man for her to appreciate. Women like Ilisha like being the victim of domestic abuse. It arouses and binds them to the abuser. Note she was willing to be in a plural marriage. Be a second or third wife sharing a husband rather than be the exclusive heart throb of one man who loved her. That is what she said in one of her posts. Go and read it. Its in LW.

      ”I have no insight into her livelihood outside Disqus”
      You don’t but I do. More than you can imagine. For one, I know that for the most she lives a relatively frugal austere disciplined thoughtful healthy cerebral lifestyle…as it appears to the casual observer. She could have made some a very good wife.

      Clearly El Cid saw that in her. But she is afraid of strong men. Obviously she does not know one has to be very strong to be kind, gentle, tender and loving. Muhammad was.

      Inside her is a storm raging at this very moment. An inferno in her mind often suppressed, sometimes bursting beyond her will. Then she lets go for a while. And destroys all she has built in one flash of self destructive anger. She is her own worst enemy. You deny that all, are blind, or purposely look the other way.

      I accept the truth. I accept the truth in her. Yet turn not away from her in denial, contempt or condemnation. As you do, have in your rationalization. She was a digital entity for me at the first. But as I fleshed her she gradually become more and more real to me. Unlike you I don’t deny her humanity. I accept her for what she is. As she is. I wish she would too.

      Most of all: El Cid accepted her as she is. The good, the bad and the ugly. He accepted all of her as she is. Knowing all that I know. Probably more. Real Muslims who have mastered their ego think that when a non Muslim accepts Islam and recites the Kalma all the past sins are washed away in an instant. He believed that one day she may accept Islam if Allah Wills.

      And always comforted her, encouraged and blessed her. Even on
      his training runs on jogging trails he prayed for her well being and
      safety. It is all on a website she cannot erase. And the poems he wrote for her ! And the pictures that went with them. Clearly he was wooing her will all his heart and being. No normal woman can reject or forget such a love if it ever comes her way.

      A slut can and always will. A slut has had so many men and left high and dry so often that she can not trust any one. She cannot emotionally bond with any one of them. Promiscuity as advanced as Ilisha exhibits is a mental disease. A curse in itself put on the wanton and promiscuous by Nature.

      Only a depraved psychotic woman can turn away and rebuke and ridicule such a loving, caring, wholesome man. Yet she is unable to forget him and move on. Neither can her coterie. And they envy her for she had what they will never have. A man’s unconditional love for a woman.

      I am overwhelmed by the fortitude, understanding, patience, forgiveness,
      admiration, tenderness, adoration, and love that permeates El Cid’s
      posts to Ilisha. Unbelievable for a skeptic like me.

      The pictures he sent her, the poetry he wrote for her are overwhelming. One of the girls on our team had tears in her eyes as she profiled a writeup on those. She said it is a love story beyond compare as she filed her report.

      It is said that a picture is worth a thousand word. There is one on a website that is worth ten thousand and more. It says it all. I will try to post it to you on a site that allows pictures. This one does not. Then you will know the meaning of what I saying here. I can articulate. Same as you can’t a rainbow or the fragrance of a flower. You have experience it to know its true meaning and essence.

      El Cid was not crazy, creepy as you people in LW like to repeat. And not insane as your new star in LW repeats over and over again. The one Ilisha chased around the web again and got him in LW for the umpteenth time as profiled as and predicted by me that she would. And now is always talking to him 24/7 while deleting hundreds of other peoples posts. She is the crazy one. Totally demented. She should get a room rather than make an exhibit of herself on the web.

      More of that later as my prediction got me in
      hot waters with my supervisors. And had to give an hours presentation to
      them. And I had to email a detailed explanation to my mentors in the US
      for reasons and substantiation of such profiling.

      In this context: The most profound defense El Cid gave for Ilisha, she could do no wrong in his eyes, was:“Ilisha cannot tell, distinguish between the “Character of men and men of character”. Lamely suggesting perhaps that she was an vulnerable innocent girl who has never known men. He thought she was a lady.

      ”- and, it’s none of my business.”
      Was
      not my business either. Till she made it by attacking me. She then
      systematically profaned, through mechanisms and devises, that which a
      billion people or more hold most sacred. All done hiding behind
      camouflage and anonymity. LW’s modus operandi. You can not know this,
      you have no empathy for it because you have no faith.

      ”I do read her far differently than you do though.”
      No,
      you don’t read her at all. You can’t. You have not the tools. You do
      not even know her real name. What she looks like. You could however in
      real life, face to face. There with you your experience of life and
      people you indeed may.

      Remember this I have been around the World.
      Lived and interacted in many cultures. Have lived, studied, worked in
      at least half of the United States except Hawaii and Alaska. I plan to
      do those too.

      I have been on top of the Empire State and the Twin
      Towers. BTW did you know El Cid’s sister was married in ‘Windows of the
      World” a little before 9-11. Small world is it not?

      “Take care.”
      You to, sir. And goodwill to you and your family.
      Regards.

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      HSkol

      2 days ago

      I understand you sir. Loonwatch opened fire on me. Declared war. War
      on me. Sorry that my response offended you. I had no choice. They kept
      calling me El Cid. And abusing me.Thank you for the heads up. I understand your position perfectly

    • Krishna Murti

      @ Ilisha of Loonwatch:
      ”Take for example the concept of “shame.” It’s not generally enforced legally but socially.”

      Is that not a little disingenuous coming from you Ilisha of Loonwatch? From you who has mastered the art of shamelessness, lies and deceit.

      ”Shame indicates you are doing something that is out of alignment with your moral compass, with society’s moral compass, or both.”
      What are you talking about? Your moral compass? You have no morals. You have no compass.You have never had either of them. You should talk about yourself rather than point a finger at others. For then four of them are pointing back at you.

      It is best that those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. It is best you not talk about adultery, fornication and sin. You have done all these often enough. You impress no one by your brazen lies and rants.

      ” So if you society defines sex outside of marriage as sinful, then if you indulge in this behavior, the result might be personal or public shame.
      Not if you have no shame. Not if you can get away with it. Not if you can cover you acts of adultery, casual sex and sin, as you long have, with lies upon lies. Rationalizing them as you are doing now. Given your past you should not be making such statements. You can because you have no shame. And you can because you have become an expert at telling lies.

      Consider a “SlutWalk.” Instead of being ashamed for behavior that is out of alignement with social norms of the past, these women are “proud sluts” and instead of being modest, they are brazenly parading around in various states of undress, often with vulgar slogans scrawled across their bare skin.

      This is hilarious coming from you. You don’t do the “Slut Walk” in the open but you have no inhibition doing it in the close. And you don’t Slut Walk. You are a walking slut. It is best not to point out the mote in another’s eye when there is a log in your eye.

    • Krishna Murti

      @ Ilisha of of Loonwatch:
      “How would pornography constitute adultery? And even if it somehow does, there is no relevance in the American context, a secular country where marriage is disposable and adultery and fornication are no big deal.”
      Still on foreplay? Wet yet? When enjoying the “big deal” do get a room, some privacy.

      Don’t carry on like this. Get some sleep. Don’t make a public exhibition of yourself. Don’t point fingers at others and call them sluts when you yourself is one.

      Your behavior is no different. Does your husband not object? Have you made him a suppressed cuckold? Has he finally divorced you, Ilisha?

    • Krishna Murti

      @ Jekyll:

      […]
      And on the contrary the very vocal moderator of Loonwatch, Ilisha does not think of ‘Mike/Just Saying’ as a perv or a troll but admires him as a man and considers him an erudite knowledgeable, critical scholar of Islam and considers it an honor and privilege to debate him.

      That Ilisha of Loonwatch can’t tell the difference between the character of men and men of character is besides the point. Many women like her come from lower middle class, have low intellect, bad character, lacking in self assurance and self esteem, shamed for being a women in their upbringing and shamed for their women hood, molested in youth, date raped, carry a lot of baggage from the past have low self esteem. They become sluts and feminists or doormats.

      They demonstrate emotional numbness and an inferiority complex. Physically they are slovenly and unclean. Sometimes inappropriately overly madeup, when on slut rounds to pick up men. They often take out their anger on men who find them attractive and go for men who abuse them and treat them as shit. Their logic is that if a man likes someone as low as them then he must have low standards.

      And if another man abuses her and profanes her than he is considered better and more attractive that he must be better as he treats her like filth, garbage and as a slut and walks allover her so he must be great.

      Such broken, beaten and defeated women are attracted to domestic abusers and do everything possible to please them. They give up their own life’ ambitions and idealisms for these abusive men.

      This is the behavior of women with low self esteem who carry sexually traumatic baggage and a heavy load of inferiority from their past.

      Because of such past experiences and deprivations Ilisha of LoonWatch thinks Mike is a learned man, special to her, turns her on, he can do no wrong before her. That he is a self proclaimed drunk, atheist and a debauch, a client of prostitutes, an ugly obese fat old bald slob appeals to her low self-esteem…seems to sexually arouse her. She grovels before him.

      She believes that he understands stands the most difficult, controversial and esoteric of Quranic passages and verses as he does the back of his hand. Verses and passages that have stumped Muslim scholars over the centuries he knows their meaning at once.

      That he does not know Arabic is irrelevant to her, seems to endear him even more to her. That he can ‘cut a paste’ vile posts against Islam from the I’Net in Loonwatch is most appealing to her. She says that its secular so he can do it. Muslims are removed from it however.She is cut n paste artist too.

      She thus is using him as a weapon in her war on Islam. She is attracting the Curse of Allah. She talks about defending the “Civil Rights of Muslims”. But these are fully protected by the US Constitution. To think that Loonwatch is a higher level document demonstrates her low level intellect and lack of education. Loonwatch has become the Theater of the Absurd.

      Accordingly she lovingly gives him ample space on Loonwatch to voice and expound on and berate Islam…with his cut n paste version of Islam. His erudition and scholarly opinion pasted from anti-Islam websites is always welcome and has now made him the central voice of Loonwatch. Along with her.

      Most others, especially Muslim voices are banned however articulate and knowledgeable they maybe they are arbitrarily and whimsically insulted, abused and banned from her Blog. Their posted comments are retrospectively removed by her at the slightest word from him. In fact he has to say “el cid” and point at anyone and that person is history. Difficult to under stand this mental phenomena. The command and control he has on her thinking. And the love-hate she has for El Cid. One woulf expect an manopasual woman to be emotionally mature and ethical.

      These verses, discussed freely and authoritatively by and between Ilisha and ‘Mike/Just Saying’, [BTW both are non-Muslims are unable to read the Quran in the original or comprehend a translation], have stumped some of the most refined and learned of Islamic scholars who spent a life time studying them.

      Some of these scholars have spent as much as ten years to study just one Sura and then say “I am not sure if I have grasped the whole meaning of it.” Such study over their lifetime, study and discussions and desire to understand them spread over 1400years of Islam. But they are out matched by this non-Muslim mike-Ilisha team in seconds.

      Fourteen centuries of work when the Quran was their absolute focus, when there were no modern distractions of public media and entertainment…where those erudite scholars who spent a life time studying the Quran failed, Ilisha and Mike/Just Saying have succeeded in short order in resolving its mysteries.

      Further, Mike/Just Saying pontificates at length on the life of Muhammad, his plundering, savagery and raping. His enslaving of women and his insane hedonistic personality. And he wants that the evil that is Islam, according to Mike, be got rid of to have peace on Earth. In all this this subjugated broken middle aged menopausal woman seeks him out and tries to please him in every way possible.

      For these reasons Ilisha invites Mike to Loonwatch. She engages him personally and intimately and at length. Often teasing, enticing him in a provocative seductive manner, and at length use this devise to bash Islam and slander Muhammad, disparage the Quran verse by verse.

      Ilisha of LW values, has high regards and time for Mike’s scholarship. She often engages him for hours, days and nights, for unbelievable lengths of time at a stretch.

      Whole days and nights straight on in discussions centered on topics such as sexual intercourse, sexual arousal and deviance. These include cutting off of female genitalia, focusing on the clitoris,major and minor labia. The two of them spent two weeks on this topic alone.

      And all this is not even in the Quran. A false pretense excuse they made for such sadomasochistic pornographic talk. These topics have little weight, limited or no reference or relevance in the Quran.

      Ilisha concurs that small cuts and nicks on the clitoris and vulva are acceptable in Islam and perhaps carried out on the genitalia of Muhammad’s daughters. But does not believe in major mutilations and amputations of FGM that some Muslims carry out on their infant daughters, with knives and blades, no anesthesia under Islamic Sharia, according to these two experts and scholars of Islam.

      These perversions, anti Islam discussions between Ilisha and Just Saying are bizarre, have no truth to them. Islamic advisers on my team have assured me that neither of them is a Muslim. That these two are using these discussion as a device to berate Islam and Muslim lifestyle is obvious.

      That these discussions loaded with sexual innuendo like fornication, rape and adultery, female genitalia, sexual enslavement and deviance are in reality, in actuality and essence, are a vehicle and device, sort of foreplay to arouse each other sexually, preparing each other for a fuck.

      ‘GrayShades’ of Islam that mike and Ilisha allude and
      evoke…our Islamic scholars, on my profiling team, have failed to find
      them in the Quran. I have told them to have another look for Mike and
      Ilisha, two non Muslims, who have not read the Quran can’t be wrong.

      However, I too see this for the farce it is. It is a front Ilisha has used in the past to groom, stroke, tickle, tease and seduce men. This is the way Ilisha works, this is how Ilisha warms and foreplays them up. Before Ilisha gets them to fuck her and become her lovers. Aging and menopausal she has to work harder and harden to pick up men while maintaining anonymity.

      This has been her modus operandi in her younger past. Ilisha is preparing ‘Mike/Just Saying’ to fuck her. Ilisha of Loonwatch has the hots for the troll, ‘Mike/Just Saying.’

      So you are wrong when you say he is a perv at MuslimGirl. Well he may be a perve at Muslim Girl but he sure is not at Loonwatch. You may in fact be jealous of Mike. You have her private email and phone #. Have you been fucking Ilisha? Is that why you are getting jealous of Mike?

      Like it or not Ilisha wants him to fuck her. He going to fuck Ilisha the moderator at Loonwatch. She wants to be fucked by him. You have no say in the matter. You are done.

      He is the new dick on the carousel she wants to ride and c^ck suck. She is preparing him for it. Leading him on.You watch and see.

      Just Saying…!

  • Duaa Abdulla

    Even if one does not agree with a certain aspect of a scholar’s teachings; I do not think it is appropriate to speak in this way about anyone, let alone a scholar. I do not know enough about this scholar to judge him. Either way, our prophet (pbuh) instructed us to speak in the most respectful manner.

    • Shuukla Ranii

      He is a scholar of what? Mensuration?

  • Shuukla Ranii

    I wouldn’t let this creep near me. Good that I don’t have to. Should be locked up. Throw away the key.

  • http://www.loonwatch.com Ilisha

    HEY MUSLIM GIRL ADMINS

    IS THERE ANY LIMIT TO THE ABUSE YOU TOLERATE HERE?????

    Please read the posts from Krishna Murti. Should ANYONE have to put up with such verbal assaults???

    • Krishna Murti

      WHY DO YOU ABUSE AND PROFANE THE PERSONALITY OF MUHAMMAD.WHAT ABOUT YOUR ASSAULT ON THE PERSONALITY OF THE PROPHET OF ISLAM MUHAMMAD AND HIS DAUGHTERS ON YOUR LOONWATCH. AND THEIR PRIVATE PARTS. HAVE YOU SHAME. YOU STOP THE ASSAULT ON THE PROPHET OF ISLAM AND THE INNOCENT YOUNG WOMEN YOUNG OF AMERICA IN YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUS EVANGELICALISM THEN ALL THIS WILL ALSO STOP TOO. YOU STARTED IT YOU SHAMELESS SLUT.

      YOU CLEAN UP THE GARBAGE OF HATE AND RACISM YOU PUBLISH AND COMMENTS ON TH LOONWATCH AND THIS WILL END TOO.

      HOW LONG WILL LOONWATCH HIDE UNDER ITS FALSE CERTIFICATE AND SUSPICIOUS FALSE FLAG ACTIVITIES OF HATE AND SLANDER. SOONER OR LATER MUSLIMS WILL FIND YOU..

      ALL THIS WAS TO HELP YOU FIND YOUR WAY. DON’T CREATE HATRED FOR ISLAM AND MUSLIMS. YOU ARE NOT A MUSLIM BUT THAT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO SLANDER THE PROPHET OD ISLAM AND TALK ABOUT PRIVATE PARTS AND GENITALS OF HIS FAMILY.

      SHAME ON YOU. MAY ALLAH AND BAGHWAN CURSE YOU.

      • http://www.loonwatch.com Ilisha

        I’m leaving you alone, and you need to leave me alone. PLEASE STOP ADDRESSING ME with your abusive, rambling comments.

        • Krishna Murti

          Your pleading means nothing to me carries no value for you are a liar and a cheat.You profane and assault as if other peole are not human.You are not leaving me alone. You are assaulting me, stalking me, and abusing me and my parents. Then when I give you a fair reply you remove my posts the most innocents ones and continue to ridicule me my family my race and religion. I am not a Muslim and you are not either.

          You should treat other people as human beings and things will get better. There is NO value in your please anymore. You play fair and I will too.

          You allow me space to respond fairly and openly on your blog and this will automatically stop.

          You were given this choice previously but in your arrogance and stupidity you did not care. Now make up your mind to open Loonwatch to open discussion and fair moderations. And allow Muslims and Hindus in too.

          You read this carefully and make a sane decision not a stupid one again. And I will be fair to to you. I promise.
          Else carry on…the whole truth has yet to come. All of it step by step.

          • http://www.loonwatch.com Ilisha

            Where is the evidence of me ever insulting the Prophet? Your family or your race? There is no evidence, because I haven’t.

          • Krishna Murti

            I am not discussing evidence with you now. You don’t deserve that anymore. You take my offer. You treat me fair and square and I will too.

            I am not a fool like El Cid. He knew everything but he did not know women. He was not wise in the way of women.

            I have known women like you. He had not. Sluts like you I can see a mile off what ever your tricks and camouflage. You are all fucked up what ever you calm I know the truth about.

            You do as I say. And I will be fair and square with you. And keep your confidentiality I promise. You open your Blog to all. Including me. Hindus and Muslims.

            Else I will let Rohitt open his.

          • http://www.loonwatch.com Ilisha

            Of course you’re not discussing evidence. Because their isn’t any.

            Just the rantings of a lunatic.

            Buzz off.

          • Krishna Murti

            That is not not a logical statement. Had you any college you would know how stupid and short sighted it is. You have come to me to get fucked.

            You have made a stupid statement. Your choice. And still arrogant. You are a greater fool than I imagined.

            If I am a lunatic then why are you here pleading with me.You fuck off. Next time you come. I will fuck you Ilisha. I will fuck you good and deep. I will pulse and discharge deep inside you. You will strip and get fucked by me. I can sense that is what you want. You want me to fuck you. Make up your mind.

            Now go think it over. I know you want me to fuck you. But that will come later. I am in no hurry to have you. Have had plenty like you, but younger. But have fucked older ones too. They enjoy it more.

            Now go think it over. Make up your mind what you want. Either way you know that one day I will spread open your legs and thighs and ride you. Just be strong enough for me.

            I will fuck you thust deep in side you Ilisha. I will fuck you as you have never been fucked before. But you know that already…a woman always does.

          • http://www.loonwatch.com Ilisha

            I wasn’t pleading with you. I asked you politely to leave me alone because, unlike you, I have manners.

            You fuck off.

            More than happy to. YOU ARE THE ONE who keeps posting comments to me, while I’m the one asking to be left alone.

            You want me to fuck you.

            No, not at all. And here, NO MEANS NO. Never.

            I know you want me to fuck you.

            No, I don’t.

            I will fuck you Ilisha.

            No, thanks.

            You’re disgusting. Delusional, vulgar and abusive. You’re lucky MG allows infinite abuse in the comments section. I’m not sure there’s anywhere else where you’d be allowed to spew such hate-filled, insane bile at another visitor.

          • Krishna Murti

            There is no hate. Fucking is not vulgar. You have done it often enough to know that. I spoke what is in your mind. If this was not a public forum seducing you would be easy. And you know that. That is why you are here.

          • http://www.loonwatch.com Ilisha

            Like I said, delusional. You don’t know me at all, apart from your wild imagination.

            You can’t produce the evidence for the accusations you made against me because they’re false. The rantings of a lunatic.

            I hope you get a girlfriend soon, so you don’t have to spend your days fixated on a stranger’s disqus profile, writing 20-page rants filled with vulgarity and nonsense.

          • Krishna Murti

            The profile is a very different matter. I explained it else where. Yours is incidental. A side issue.

            And just like have had boyfriends. I have had girl friends. I like variety and experience same as you. You are here talking to me because you want to me to fuck you. You want me inside you. The rest is game play and negotiations.

            After all is said and done all you will want is to have me deep inside you. In talk it does seem vulgar but in that moment of truth it is the most natural thing to do.

            And you can already feel me inside you all big and hot plunging and pulsing deep in side you as you clasp me with your legs around my waist. Me thrusting and pumping inside you. You breathing hard. Ready to scream and come. Even as you hold me tight inside you.

          • http://www.loonwatch.com Ilisha

            You are here talking to me because you want to me to fuck you. You want me inside you.

            No, I don’t, creepy pervert. I find you repulsive.

            After all is said and done all you will want is to have me deep inside you.

            No, I don’t, creepy pervert. I find you repulsive.

          • Krishna Murti

            No not really. And I am no pervert. And you instinctively know that.Do only perverts get to fuck you. You know that more than anyone else that I am not a pervert. Thats why you are talking to me. You would not be talking to if I was a pervert.

            You want to see how this goes. Things could get interesting and challenging. Fun in any case. But you are here to find out. How it would to be like to fuck me To enjoy me hold me inside you. Pulsing and discharging in the depths of you as you orgasm holding me to you.

  • Krishna Murti

    HEY MUSLIM GIRL ADMINS IS THERE ANY LIMIT TO THE ABUSE YOU TOLERATE HERE?????
    Please read the posts from Krishna Murti. Should ANYONE have to put up with such verbal assaults???

    Back to your old trick Ilisha of Loonwatch. You have removed six of your
    sexually explicit and inviting posts but left the one above one as if
    evidence that I was the one troubling you.That is exactly what I was
    describing that you do when you roam the Internet Blogs.

    You
    follow and stalk men all over the Internet.But specially those closer to
    youin some way. Following and stalking and enticing picking up
    potential lovers into your own Blog where you are the moderator and can
    arrange the rendezvous and the tryst in your own playground in secrecy
    and full control so that no one can know. But I do. I am leaving mine
    open so that even the casual reader can see what you removed and the
    story of your your sexual advances towards me and indecent
    propositioning to me your attempt to entice me will remain intact.

    Within
    Loonwatch you can pass on your private emails and phone# and from there
    on you are can conduct your sexual liaison and perversions without
    guilt and in privacy so that no one can know. what you are and what you
    do and how many lovers you have had and you juggle.

    Because you
    could not get me into your own Blog you deleted your own provocative and
    inviting comments. Six of your posts you deleted that were seductive
    inviting me into your parlor for a fucking date. You wanted me to fuck
    you. But I did not move and so you left this one above as cover, deceit
    and cunning for readers to interpret as if you were being bothered and
    abused by me. I have know women like you I could way ahead of you and
    your tricks and antics of your trade.

    It is like your old time
    experience where you get caught getting fucked by your boyfriend but
    when you get caught you cry rape. But the Internet keeps traces. So I
    have left my posts open so as to expose your cunning tricks, to impose
    your guilt on the other.

    You Ilsha are indeed a cunning and
    totally shameless slut and a
    behaya woman. You are one fucked
    up bitch. Totally shameless, abusive and ruthless but stone stupid.

  • Ranjeet KaurMD

    “The good news is that Abu Eesa Niamatullah, an Imam from the United
    Kingdom, is going to be leading a free lecture on menstruation and the
    ways in which to clean yourself after the blood that comes out of your
    body turns you into a dirty, impure sea monster.”

    This is a preposterous statement insulting women reducing them to sea monsters. That aside women should preferably see a professional in this regard. In any case if they want to attend such a lecture than make sure that his wife and daughters are also present. Professional advice is the best.

    • Shuukla Ranii

      I always stay away from such people.

      • Kulsoom Zohar

        As you should. It is a slippery slope for a young girl.

    • Kulsoom Zohar

      ”In any case if they want to attend such a lecture than make sure that his wife and daughters are also present. Professional advice is the best.“

      I could not agree with you more. Women are their own worst enemies. They reflexively unthinkingly project, perpetuate negative images and memes of themselves which overtime degrade them in their own eyes, and before others. They then tend to see themselves as inferior in mind or defective in physiology and anatomy.

      I further agree with you that unless such men have their family, wife and daughters, with them they should be shunned. And nothing beats a professional consultation.

  • Werdah Kaiser

    I’m confused by this erraneous article and I would appreciate some clarification from the writer or producers of this website.

    Shaykh Abu Eesa is not teaching his “position” on menustration but rather what the Allah tells us through the Quran, what the various madh’ab have found evidence to support from the ahadith of the Prophet (SAW) and nothing more. His opinion? He cannot give his opinion. Everything must be fact-checked through the Quran and ahadith.

    I beg you sisters in Islam, this is no way to treat a fellow brother in Islam. Are we only willing to give 70 excuses to non-Muslims but not our own? Whose battle are you really fighting by writing and thinking in this way? The Orientalists and secular racist anti-Black people of the world want us to hate our men. That is how they furthered colonialism, by striking at the figure of the man and breaking apart communities like this.

    Be humble in the way you call out fellow Muslims, for Allah may be angry with you and happy with them.

    This does not mean that we do not dialogue with the Shaykh when he does or says something wrong. But their is an adhab to that and it should be done away from the prying eyes of those non-Muslims who gloat at our discord.

    Allah knows best.

  • Muslimah

    The way that you girls address issues within the Muslim community is very disgusting. You’re using your personal opinions and biases in attacks against your own brothers and sisters in Islam, and it is infecting the brains of young women actually coming to this website to seek knowledge. Please stop acting like you know what you’re talking about, and quit attacking every Muslim who has an opinion that differs from your own.

  • genx

    This is silly. Obviously abu eesas talk is not going to be about the physiology of periods, but about Islamic rulings regarding menstruation, when one can pray, what is permissable during menstruation and what is not, etc. The Prophet (s) was a man and he is the one who taught both men and women what entails tahara/purity for prayer and what doesnt. His (s) knowledge came from Allah (swt). The topic of ritual purity is more complicated for women as some women have irregular periods etc and may be required to pray even when actively menstruating. An obgyn obviously couldn’t have tell you that. Sacred knowledge is sacred knowledge, no matter who delivers it.

  • anotherone

    I disagree. He is teaching a class on the FIQH of menstruation. He is not attempting to explain what it’s like to experience a period, or give the advice that one would get from her mother, friend, etc. This is simply a class on knowledge derived from the Quran and sunnah on fiqh. Something that can be led by any qualified scholar, male or female.

    Personally, I have irregular periods to the degree that no one around me– my mother, sisters, friends– has experienced, is able to comprehend, or able to advise me. I’ve had close female family members question in a judgemental, confused tone why I don’t pray longer than a week, saying a period shouldn’t last that long (from their experience). So not everyone with a vagina can speak to me about my menstruation. Not everyone understands the fiqh. I know we like to bash the instructor of this class, but let’s not pretend he’s leading a support group for women re menstruation.

  • JMT

    Wow I disagree- anyone knowledgable in fiqh can teach the class on menstruation as a part of the fiqh of purification. It has nothing to do with man-splaining. Why all the gender divisiveness. My issue with this guy, and why I would never sit in any class of his no matter the subject, is his condescending patriarchal ego and rhetoric.

  • Misanthropia

    Men always say the most inaccurate and insulting stuff about periods and about female hormones. Why should they be trusted to tell us about our periods. I bet Abu Eesa will just turn that lecture into a session where he tells women how they are ‘inherently defective and inferior’ for bleeding out of our vaginas every month(we actually aren’t defective).

  • FD

    Many women, though they are destined to go through periods for a large part of their lives, are unaware of what menstruation ACTUALLY entails. For example, many women don’t know practical things like cleaning oneself and im/permissible types of intimacy during menstruation. Also, as with any subject, learning about it in light of the Qur’an and sunnah may help us get closer to Allah and appreciate Islam.

    I remember learning that a certain religion obligates women to sleep separately place from their husbands. In another instance, I learned that in a certain part of the world, women are completely isolated from their family during menstruation, and things they touch are deemed impure. Compare this to the teachings of Islam, which allows women to cook and be with their families as at any other time. Moreover, gestures between a husband and wife such as hugging, kissing, and sleeping on the same bed are completely permissible in Islam. And Allah swt talks about menstruation in the Qur’an. No doubt we can learn much from the way Allah swt discusses it, such as the word choice, context, and how He describes menstruation. In studying such a topic from the Qur’an, one might be amazed to learn of Allah’s mercy and kindness.

    Thus, we should focus on the TEACHINGS instead of the TEACHER. I understand the author’s reservation that a man teaching the subject is awkward, but this is a scholar who has studied this subject from the perspective of Islamic teachings. The author might consider that not all men are the same, and that there are men who are respectful and mature when discussing topics pertaining to women. Perhaps it’d be worthwhile to explore whether Abu Eesa is one of them by watching the lecture for herself.

  • Aisha

    As others have said, there is a difference between teaching the physiology of menstruation and teaching the fiqh aspect. A male scholar teaching the fiqh of menstruation and the Islamic rulings related to it is not inherently problematic. However, the major issue with this particular event is Abu Eesa who has a reputation as a misogynist even among some of the more conservative circles of women and is known to be very inappropriate on his social media accounts with none of the adab one would expect from a person of knowledge. I certainly don’t consider him a scholar either except insofar as he has appointed himself as one.

  • No one said this guy is gonna give some biology class on menstruation. He seems to be giving a lecture on it from the religious perspective.

    Did the Prophet SAW not do the same thing, and he was a man?? I mean the command of God didn’t go to Khadija or A’isha just because they were women. It all went through the man first. :)

    I totally love your open devotion and defense of women, but you also need to be careful as to what you say ladies. It’s not all about defensiveness, and here it seems quite disrespectful to this scholar and to the religion as a whole. I hope you can reconsider leaving this article online <3

  • maryam

    So we’re just dissing Prophet Muhammed(saw)